Make a law -> Criminals ignore laws -> Make a law banning criminals -> Criminals ignore laws -> repeat ad infinitum.
Calling all Ninjas.
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Banning the swords will make it an offence to own them, so should police attend someone’s house legally and find one, they will now have the power to seize the item and arrest the owner. The sword is unlikely to be returned so it’s removed from the street.
If you read about the latest murders with edged weapons you will see that the defendant is often charged with Murder, GBH and having the offensive weapon.
If you read about the latest murders with edged weapons you will see that the defendant is often charged with Murder, GBH and having the offensive weapon.
I suppose the question is whether this actually stops someone from stabbing anyone. I suspect the answer is that it does not (unless we have evidence to the contrary. Burden of proof is on those claiming the ban actually works), so what’s the point when the law can also hurt otherwise law abiding folk?
Would someone who wants to kill someone go “oh no, I couldn’t buy/use a sword so I better not”, or will they just choose one of the myriad other sharp objects it’s literally impossible to stop people having?
I get the reasoning, but by definition a sword is a made offensive weapon. I prepare to be corrected but do they have any other use?
In the same way that an extendable truncheon/baton is now illegal to own but a baseball bat isn’t.
Has anyone missed their zombie knives?
In the same way that an extendable truncheon/baton is now illegal to own but a baseball bat isn’t.
Has anyone missed their zombie knives?
I have a sharp gladius but I am not going outside the apartment with it. It is just for my own pleasure as any art object like paintings or sculptures.
Also have a dagger and a spear. For same reasons, as objects of art.
PS. I live in Finland where these are perfectly legal to own and keep in your home.
I don’t think either of those items would fall within this ban as they are not samurai/ninja swords.
There is a list of definitions and defences on the linked document. Most legitimate owners, I.e collectors, martial artists, reenactors etc are unlikely to be affected.
People have been killed being hit by a brick, so arguments about there being other items available to do harm serve little purpose.
There is a list of definitions and defences on the linked document. Most legitimate owners, I.e collectors, martial artists, reenactors etc are unlikely to be affected.
People have been killed being hit by a brick, so arguments about there being other items available to do harm serve little purpose.
Just to clarify my situation on this, I’m unaffected by this ban as I don’t have any such swords.
I used to fight with medieval swords as part of a display so have some idea as to the appeal of swords.
This is a position in which we don’t always help ourselves.
There are numerous videos on the net of well respected historical sword makers making replica swords and then demonstrating them hitting ballistic gelatin, manakins and carcasses so as to demonstrate the items damage abilities.
Wait until the crossbows get looked at…
I used to fight with medieval swords as part of a display so have some idea as to the appeal of swords.
This is a position in which we don’t always help ourselves.
There are numerous videos on the net of well respected historical sword makers making replica swords and then demonstrating them hitting ballistic gelatin, manakins and carcasses so as to demonstrate the items damage abilities.
Wait until the crossbows get looked at…
Just like all the other bans the only people who will be affected will be those law abiding folk who may wish to own or use the banned item.
I think the USA's gun laws need looking at, but at the same time there is some truth to the old adage used over there. 'If you outlaw guns then only the outlaws will have them.'
Alledgedly gardening, the mother in law told me she used it for cutting down the pampas grass plant in the garden. Whilst she wore makeup and could sometimes be quite fierce,
I don't think she would qualify as that painted dragon on the handle Wildgoose referred to!
I remember some years ago working on the safety team at a military vehicle show, one of my friends bought an axe from one of the stalls.
No dragons, but this axe was one of those one piece black metal numbers with the handle wrapped in paracord. The seller claimed it was overstock from a contract with the SAS, Paras or Marines. It cost less than a tenner.
He spent days sharpening, oiling and caressing this thing and carried it on his belt everywhere. He got a bit of stick for it.
Days in, we had a vehicle rollover and needed to get a truck into the area to winch it, the path of which was blocked by a couple of small trees.
Seeing his opportunity my mate ran over and took a huge swing with his new pride and joy, only to have it shear in two leaving the tree intact.
No dragons, but this axe was one of those one piece black metal numbers with the handle wrapped in paracord. The seller claimed it was overstock from a contract with the SAS, Paras or Marines. It cost less than a tenner.
He spent days sharpening, oiling and caressing this thing and carried it on his belt everywhere. He got a bit of stick for it.
Days in, we had a vehicle rollover and needed to get a truck into the area to winch it, the path of which was blocked by a couple of small trees.
Seeing his opportunity my mate ran over and took a huge swing with his new pride and joy, only to have it shear in two leaving the tree intact.
Not on topic but:
In my early youth we used to have Army ands Navy surplus shops. I bought a full elephant tube gas mask kit for a shilling and a Geiger counter for two and six.
But
Also my brother and I both bought ex-army jungle knives wrapped up in original oil cloth.
It was just a two and a half foot steel strap with a very basic wooden handle. The two foot blade snapped within the first week we had it and snapped again before it got thrown away.
They were marked with the WD arrow and were very sharp when we opened them. Ex army stuff hasn’t always been good quality. (Not once did I ever count a Geiger)
Anything can be sharpened, anything can be a weapon but banning things makes better Daily Mail headlines than the concept of a very expensive social policy programme that will work in a generation or so!
In my early youth we used to have Army ands Navy surplus shops. I bought a full elephant tube gas mask kit for a shilling and a Geiger counter for two and six.
But
Also my brother and I both bought ex-army jungle knives wrapped up in original oil cloth.
It was just a two and a half foot steel strap with a very basic wooden handle. The two foot blade snapped within the first week we had it and snapped again before it got thrown away.
They were marked with the WD arrow and were very sharp when we opened them. Ex army stuff hasn’t always been good quality. (Not once did I ever count a Geiger)
Anything can be sharpened, anything can be a weapon but banning things makes better Daily Mail headlines than the concept of a very expensive social policy programme that will work in a generation or so!
But the only reason so called Ninja swords have been banned is because there was a highly publicised case where one was used and a strong lobby. Everyday stabbings with kitchen objects are unfortunately a routine event and don't draw much attention, there is something sensational in the popular imagination about a Ninja sword as people associate Ninjas with highly dangerous Japanese assassins and if they used a spoon to dispatch their enemies you could be sure someone would say it was highly dangerous by association. You could substitute Gladiator for Ninja and bang goes your right to own a historical gladius if some mall "Gladiator" went off the rails, or "Highlander" and that is your ceremonial dirk done for. A ninja Sword is of course a piece of junk no self respecting blade enthusiast would own, but it is the way they have been cynically created and marketed that is the problem. I expect the people who make or import these things will find something else to entice the gangsta wannabes who buy these things. What we need is responsible sellers and manufacturers, not bans on specific items.
Having trained in Ninjutsu, Budo Taijutsu or its various other daft names for the past 30 plus years. We hardly ever used so called ninja swords. A vast array of styles of katana. The right tool for the job. Most of the more exotic historic battle field weapons were banned in the 80s -90s. Frustrating as i doubt you could easily smuggle a hooked knife with 15ft of chain attached into a football match.
Just like the Zombie knife ban it reads well in the Daily Mail. Will it stop urban feral youngsters stabbing each other i doubt it.
Just like the Zombie knife ban it reads well in the Daily Mail. Will it stop urban feral youngsters stabbing each other i doubt it.
here in central america everyone uses machetes, from little kids to old grandmothers, i can walk into our local supermarket with my machete and nobody gives a hoot. over here they're common everyday items, but violent incidents are very rare.
on the other hand a lot of people (worldwide) get killed in traffic accidents as a result of drunken drivers and/or drivers using their phones but nobody seems to care.
to me that banning of certain items over a rare incident looks more like a slow way of preventing law-abiding citizens to own them (and to keep the sheeple in line), criminals will always find away around laws....
(just my personal opinion)
on the other hand a lot of people (worldwide) get killed in traffic accidents as a result of drunken drivers and/or drivers using their phones but nobody seems to care.
to me that banning of certain items over a rare incident looks more like a slow way of preventing law-abiding citizens to own them (and to keep the sheeple in line), criminals will always find away around laws....
(just my personal opinion)
@forrestdweller
The thing is that politicians feel the must do something. Addressing the root cause of violence is a long path, will take decades and millions of money. It is a much faster way to ban things and feel good about themselves that they did stop the crime.
The thing is that politicians feel the must do something. Addressing the root cause of violence is a long path, will take decades and millions of money. It is a much faster way to ban things and feel good about themselves that they did stop the crime.
only that banning things doesn't always work ("prohibition" in U.S. about a century ago f.i. : it only fueled illegal alcohol trade)
after the Port Arthur Massacre the australian government tightened up the gun laws, outlawing military firearms and semiautomatic rifles/ shotguns. the ones affected were (mainly) farmers and hunters, not criminals. the weapons used by the perpetrator were illegal to own anyway and one of the weapons used was (according to what i heard multiple times while Down Under) beforehand confiscated by cops in Melbourne, raising the question HOW it got to Tasmania and fuelling rumours... (a friend told me later that his brother was allowed to keep an anti tank rifle because it was single-shot and another fella turned up at one of the buy-back places with a 40mm Bofors AA cannon, presumably a leftover from WW2...)
I have... what is called a Ninja sword... Its heat treated well, but is frankly a shite design... If they wanna give me £400 they can have it. (taken in trade many moons ago). But its worth, at current market value... £400. Other than that happening, i'm keeping it. If i was the law... i'd be more concerned with my collection of rolling pins, shower caps (for proving dough) and my sharp plastic bowl and table scrapers which i use all the time.
If Someone entered my house without permission... it wouldnt be a sword i chopped you in half with... it would be a bowl scraper... and i'd (literally have to, its plastic) do it slowly.
Could someone please post an picture of an actual ninja sword. I am struggling to understand what is being banned and I would also like to know what they look like in case I want onexxxx
My understanding ( until I'm corrected by a Dr Stephen K Hayes type ) is that a traditional Ninja Sword was for some reason straight in its spine - no bend.
Whilst the Samurai sword had a definite bend in it ( Ooooh-errrr Missus... )
This maybe true or it maybe Hollywood BS. I know there were various stated reasons why a straight sword was more use to a super secret spy type but they all sound a little BS now. When I was a child however I lapped it up. Because you're allowed to do so as a Child.
If you look at the weapons the Shinobi / Ninja / Black PJ night freaks had they were very varied and mostly seemed to have a previous agricultural type heritage