Bushcraft shelters in winter - no tent/sleeping bag
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Yeah this is my experience too. I sleep outside all year round and in past winters due to weather haven't bothered with fire much at all. But that's with sleeping bag, thermal layers, heat-reflectors etc.
If all the bushcrafters in the uk did it we'd be getting somewhere. Maybe others would see how great it is and follow our lead, abandoning the cities and taking our species back toward equilibrium with the planet.
You still do not get it; so to speak. If everybody did it you would soon be without trees.
Well no because part of the point of bushcraft is avoiding cutting down live trees.
Jep, you can cut and saw living and standing trees only with permission of the landowner.
Basically the same in any country I suppose. Is there a severe punishment?
It’s a difficult point but there simply isn’t enough room and there aren’t enough resources in the UK for everyone to adopt a bushcraft lifestyle. If you want a CT scanner or modern medical care of any sort you need industry.
Do you drive a car or pedal a bike? Do you use aluminium or steel? What do you wear when you are sleeping outside without a shelter.
Humanity depends upon a division of labour to support its present population. Generalism and off-grid is a for a few supported by a pyramid of specialists.
UK cannot feed itself; it is dependent upon imports. Our main offer to the rest of the world is a betting shop called the London Stock Exchange.
I’m not bitter about this. I’m not off grid: I have a titanium pacemaker! They are hard to make with a knife and an axe.
If bushcraft has anything to offer the wider world it is a mindset rather than a practice.
In general:
Perhaps we don’t need all our current living space.
Perhaps we don’t need to heat our homes to modern standards.
Perhaps we don’t need to eat as much as we do?
Perhaps we don’t need the variety of foods that are currently available.
Perhaps we don’t need the range of “stuff that we currently have.
….. but who then would reach for the stars?
What is certain is that we can’t all sleep outside without a shelter (or a waste water system).
Do you drive a car or pedal a bike? Do you use aluminium or steel? What do you wear when you are sleeping outside without a shelter.
Humanity depends upon a division of labour to support its present population. Generalism and off-grid is a for a few supported by a pyramid of specialists.
UK cannot feed itself; it is dependent upon imports. Our main offer to the rest of the world is a betting shop called the London Stock Exchange.
I’m not bitter about this. I’m not off grid: I have a titanium pacemaker! They are hard to make with a knife and an axe.
If bushcraft has anything to offer the wider world it is a mindset rather than a practice.
In general:
Perhaps we don’t need all our current living space.
Perhaps we don’t need to heat our homes to modern standards.
Perhaps we don’t need to eat as much as we do?
Perhaps we don’t need the variety of foods that are currently available.
Perhaps we don’t need the range of “stuff that we currently have.
….. but who then would reach for the stars?
What is certain is that we can’t all sleep outside without a shelter (or a waste water system).
So it's all worth it for space travel and medical solutions to health problems that domestication causes?
Never mind that there isn't enough room and there aren't enough resources for this population on this planet. I suppose that's where space travel comes in - as another civilised solution to a civilised problem.
I know we can't have global civilisation AND let people live how they want. That's why I'm against global civilisation. I know you probably don't mean it this way, but you're basically arguing for the continued enslavement of your planet and species, not to mention all the others.
Never mind that there isn't enough room and there aren't enough resources for this population on this planet. I suppose that's where space travel comes in - as another civilised solution to a civilised problem.
I know we can't have global civilisation AND let people live how they want. That's why I'm against global civilisation. I know you probably don't mean it this way, but you're basically arguing for the continued enslavement of your planet and species, not to mention all the others.
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That I feel the need for a bike, and a sleeping bag, and all this other slave-made industrial tat, just shows how domesticated I am compared to my wild ancestors, and the indigenous people that still resist domestication today.
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I think it is well documented that many industrial products were eagerly taken by indigenous people when available. Some things just make life easier and they were quick to figure that out. That is not the same as the present overabundance of unnecessary widgets.
Trekking is one way to figure out the unnecessary things, camping not as much.
The indigenous groups that I'm referring to, the ones that survive today by continuing to resist domestication, do not eagerly take industrial products. Either they learned not to from what happened to their neighbours who did or they just know to refuse.
Many are examples of post-collapse societies, groups whose ancestors were civilised. The native Americans were, for example, so they had that knowledge of how **** an idea civilisation is passed down in their folklore and knew exactly what they were dealing with when Europeans arrived. Some Amazonian tribes may be descendants of humans domesticated as the Inca. They're not naive.
Many are examples of post-collapse societies, groups whose ancestors were civilised. The native Americans were, for example, so they had that knowledge of how **** an idea civilisation is passed down in their folklore and knew exactly what they were dealing with when Europeans arrived. Some Amazonian tribes may be descendants of humans domesticated as the Inca. They're not naive.
So?
The steel ones kind of were or at least the serial produced ones. Just actually better mouse traps to flint ones.
