swyn said:can i take a little bite of this thread. Survival in the primitive sense is similar to what is going on in Africa at present with families just trying to bring another generation to fruition without their children dieing. When your country/landscape is in a better state or there is more food then you can practice your craft. With which you may be better able to stave off starvation in the future. Therefor the two are very closely linked .Perhaps one even not being able to operate without the other ....symbiotic?
I dont see anything political in what swyn has said bambodoggy, he has simply stated that if you are in a daily struggle to survive without choice (regardless of what caused that situation political or otherwise and regardless of location) as are the San bushmen are then you are surviving in the truest definition as Swyn sees it, but if your situation offers the resources available for you not to have to struggle to live then it becomes your choice if you wish to learn survival skills, and perhaps your choice would be of benefit if you found yourself in a struggle to survive.
I think you misunderstood what swyn was trying to say bambodoggy
I dont entirely agree with swyn definition, but i see no problem in the way he explained his view and certainly see no political connotations
right lets let that misunderstanding pass, I have found a qoute from Mors kochanski which might be of interest in this debate
"the word survival has become a catchword carelessly used and lacking any precision in application. To survive is to come out of any life-threatening situation alive though being rescued. if you manage on your own, the situation may be termed an emergency or only a great inconvenience. the term survival may be used for situation where life expectancy is reduced to a specified time limit which may also state when irreversible conditions are to be expected. basic survival knowledge is the distillation of the most basic and effective means of staying alive (that disregards everything, especially the environment in the interest of maintaining life at all costs)."
its certainly an interesting quote which should might put a new dimension onto this discussion, I have only just found it so I am not sure of my own opinion on it yet