Bushcraft and homesteading skills in WW3

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- ground (on or just under the surface) burst produce a LOT more radioactive fallout than air burst due to the amount of ‘debris’ flung upwards
- air burst will absolutely flatten everything underneath it though - like a giant fist had punched the earth
Yes a ground burst creates far more radioactive fallout than an air burst due the the amount of debris and dust which is irradiated, thrown up into the air and then falls back down shortly afterwards. But the explosion blast area is smaller and the ground absorbs and dissipates more of the energy.

With a medium altitude air burst it will have a much wider blast area from the initial explosion due to the line of sight effect. However most of the radiation from an air burst will be carried away by high level winds and will have more time to decay and will be more widely spread out before it reaches the ground so it will be less harmful in this respect.

A high altitude burst will be safe from a blast and radiation perspective but it would create a wide-spread EMP effect which would permanently knock out the electricity grid across entire countries.
 
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Things have changed a lot since that film was made. Modern nuclear missiles tend to have smaller sized warheads on them and have far more accurate targeting.
Some do. There are both tactical, and strategic nukes. Tactical nukes are as you describe, smaller, more precise for use primarily against military positions, fleets, air bases etc...

Strategic nukes... well, not so much. They are city destroyers....think 5 miles in each direction of... see ya...bye. (and more)
 
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Some do. There are both tactical, and strategic nukes. Tactical nukes are as you describe, smaller, more precise for use primarily against military positions, fleets, air bases etc...

Strategic nukes... well, not so much. They are city destroyers....think 5 miles in each direction of... see ya...bye. (and more)
Correct. There is a whole scale of sizes from small(ish) tactical nukes which can fit into a standard size 155mm artillery shell right the way up to enormous strategic city killer warheads. A few are even bigger if you include the underwater ones which are designed to create a tsunami. But now the vast majority are the small to medium sized ones and the enormous strategic city killers are much rarer than they used to be during the cold war.

M.A.D. is no longer the given outcome it once was. But now that it is more likely to be survivable than it used to be that actually increases the chance that one side might be tempted to try a first strike decapitation attempt on the other.
 
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Correct. There is a whole scale of sizes from small(ish) tactical nukes which can fit into a standard size 155mm artillery shell right the way up to enormous strategic city killer warheads. A few are even bigger if you include the underwater ones which are designed to create a tsunami. But now the vast majority are the small to medium sized ones and the enormous strategic city killers are much rarer than they used to be during the cold war.

M.A.D. is no longer the given outcome it once was. But now that it is more likely to be survivable than it used to be that actually increases the chance that one side might be tempted to try a first strike decapitation attempt on the other.
Yes a ground burst creates far more radioactive fallout than an air burst due the the amount of debris and dust which is irradiated, thrown up into the air and then falls back down shortly afterwards. But the explosion blast area is smaller and the ground absorbs and dissipates more of the energy.

With a medium altitude air burst it will have a much wider blast area from the initial explosion due to the line of sight effect. However most of the radiation from an air burst will be carried away by high level winds and will have more time to decay and will be more widely spread out before it reaches the ground so it will be less harmful in this respect.

A high altitude burst will be safe from a blast and radiation perspective but it would create wide-spread EMP effect which would permanently knock out the electricity grid across entire countries.
Yep, and none of those would be fun!

Don’t forget, an explosion could be hundreds of miles away - or even thousands of- you won’t be affected by blast but fallout is a huge risk days later if you are in the ‘path’
You can evacuate ‘sideways’ to avoid the plume but might have to go some considerable distance.

Again, all unknown unless you had some way to detect radiation (and understood what it was telling you)
 
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Yes, exactly. I will still head for the big bright light, thanks.
Fair enough. You would probably die from radiation poisoning though.

Personally I would prefer to stay at home, close all of the windows and doors then seal up any air gaps as best as possible and wait it out for two weeks until the radiation had decayed to a safe level. That way my family would likely survive completely unscathed. As for the world afterwards? I'd take my chances...
 
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Fair enough. You would probably die from radiation poisoning though.

Personally I would prefer to stay at home, close all of the windows and doors then seal up any air gaps as best as possible and wait it out for two weeks until the radiation had decayed to a safe level. That way my family would likely survive completely unscathed. As for the world afterwards? I'll take my chances...
Unless your house is lined with lead or your walls are several feet thick concrete mixed with boron, it wouldnt make much difference. Gamma Rays will just pass through it, and the Neutrons likely will too. Only way to be in an active fallout zone and not be effected is if you're surrounded by lead and under water. (lead stops gamma, water stops neutrons). It also only takes 2 days for radiation levels to drop by 99% The other 1% can take a long time. :encourage:
 
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Unless your house is lined with lead or your walls are several feet thick concrete mixed with boron, it wouldnt make much difference. Gamma Rays will just pass through it, and the Neutrons likely will too. Only way to be in an active fallout zone and not be effected is if you're surrounded by lead and under water. (lead stops gamma, water stops neutrons). It also only takes 2 days for radiation levels to drop by 99% The other 1% can take a long time. :encourage:
The last 1% is acceptable. :)

Sealing off a house to stop dust from entering would stop the vast majority of short range alpha and beta particles. The gamma radiation as you say is more troublesome though as some of that will be able to pass though the walls. There is a scientific mathematical equation to calculate the penetrating effect of gamma radiation. The short of it is though that just three feet of packed dirt (or any other material with the equivalent mass such as piles of books etc) would likely be sufficient to reduce the gamma radiation exposure down to an acceptable level. This can be achieved quite quickly by building a makeshift shelter inside you house using rubble sacks filled with dirt to act as a radiation shield.

To do this you push a sturdy table against a ground floor wall as close to the center of your house as possible to maximize the distance from external walls (due to the inverse square rule increasing the distance from the source considerably reduces the amount of gamma radiation received too). Then build a makeshift wall around the table using the dirt filled rubble sacks like sand bag bricks. Also put a layer or two on top of the table to protect from any gamma radiation coming from above caused by fallout that may land on the roof. Two feet of packed dirt bricks will probably be sufficient as you would also be surrounded by a brick house and have a few meters of distance from where the fallout has settled.

Also bare in mind that modern nuclear missiles will produce less radioactive fallout than what would have been expected to happen if there had been a nuclear exchange back in cold war era. Depending on various factors such as your location relative to nearby targets and the wind direction most people would be able to survive a nuclear exchange simply by staying indoors for two weeks with the windows closed. Unless you are unlucky regarding the wind direction or proximity to a target most people would probably experience only a relatively low level of fallout and radiation exposure.

Nuclear war is a lot more survivable than most people think it is. With just a little bit of knowledge and understanding of the concepts involved you could further increase your odds considerably. If anyone is interested to know more I suggest the book Nuclear War Survival Skills by Cresson Kearny as an ideal place to start. It’s not the cheeriest of reads ever I admit but it's very interesting nevertheless.

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The last 1% is acceptable. :)

Sealing off a house to stop dust from entering would stop the vast majority of short range alpha and beta particles. The gamma radiation as you say is more troublesome though as some of that will be able to pass though the walls. There is a scientific mathematical equation to calculate the penetrating effect of gamma radiation. The short of it is though that just three feet of packed dirt (or any other material with the equivalent mass such as piles of books etc) would likely be sufficient to reduce the gamma radiation exposure down to an acceptable level. This can be achieved quite quickly by building a makeshift shelter inside you house using rubble sacks filled with dirt to act as a radiation shield.

To do this you push a sturdy table against a ground floor wall as close to the center of your house as possible to maximize the distance from external walls (due to the inverse square rule increasing the distance from the source considerably reduces the amount of gamma radiation received too). Then build a makeshift wall around the table using the dirt filled rubble sacks like sand bag bricks. Also put a layer or two on top of the table to protect from any gamma radiation coming from above caused by fallout that may land on the roof. Two feet of packed dirt bricks will probably be sufficient as you would also be surrounded by a brick house and have a few meters of distance from where the fallout has settled.

Also bare in mind that modern nuclear missiles will produce less radioactive fallout than what would have been expected to happen if there had been a nuclear exchange back in cold war era. Depending on various factors such as your location relative to nearby targets and the wind direction most people would be able to survive a nuclear exchange simply by staying indoors for two weeks with the windows closed. Unless you are unlucky regarding the wind direction or proximity to a target most people would probably experience only a relatively low level of fallout and radiation exposure.

Nuclear war is a lot more survivable than most people think it is. With just a little bit of knowledge and understanding of the concepts involved you could further increase your odds considerably. If anyone is interested to know more I suggest the book Nuclear War Survival Skills by Cresson Kearny as an ideal place to start. It’s not the cheeriest of reads ever I admit but it's very interesting nevertheless.
I have an original copy of that. Will post a photo tomorrow.

You ought to come and check out my monitoring post museum (google Cuckfield nuclear bunker)
 
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I have an original copy of that. Will post a photo tomorrow.
The 2022 edition has some updated sections which cover more modern technology and also Russia and Ukraine. Other than that it's largely unchanged from previous editions. But then why would it need to be? The laws of physics haven't changed since the cold war so the information is still just as relevant as ever. :D

You ought to come and check out my monitoring post museum (google Cuckfield nuclear bunker)
That sounds interesting but the website didn't load when I tried it. :(
 
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Barium sulfate is a very good gamma ray blocker which is used in x ray blocking applications. It also blocks some radio frequencies. Fairly cheap in mineral form. Also available in textile fiber form for protective clothing, much more stylish than Al foil.
 
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Barium sulfate is a very good gamma ray blocker which is used in x ray blocking applications. It also blocks some radio frequencies. Fairly cheap in mineral form. Also available in textile fiber form for protective clothing
Interesting.

much more stylish than Al foil.
It's about time I changed my tinfoil hat but will barium sulfate stop the government from reading my brainwaves? ;)
 
The 2022 edition has some updated sections which cover more modern technology and also Russia and Ukraine. Other than that it's largely unchanged from previous editions. But then why would it need to be? The laws of physics haven't changed since the cold war so the information is still just as relevant as ever. :D


That sounds interesting but the website didn't load when I tried it. :(

Pluto used to be classed as a Planet when I was a lad.

Science changes apparently.
 
Wow, this has come a long way from what bushcraft and homesteading skills would be usefull hasn't it.
Well, to be honest, I'm not interested in surviving the big bang, to end up living in a mad max aftermath. All food and water will be contaminated, so you won't be able to eat or drink anything without poisoning yourself afterwards.
Take a good look at chernoble. How many people have gone back to the area and are living comfortably there, years and years afterwards. Don't kid yourselves.
Don't forget chernoble affected the UK too. Particularly in Wales. It has been damaged again in the present war out there, and is once more leaking radioactivity.
They have just started installing the second reactor at hinckley near Bridgewater in Somerset. They won't even need more than a normal bomb on that once its up and running to take out a huge area of the UK.
Bushcraft and homesteading skills will be totaly redundant.

On a more posative note, I am not going to worry about it any more.
There is nothing we can do, I spent years on anti nuclear protests as a youngster ,at Greenham and other anti nuclear marches. Nobody seems to have the passion to do anything anymore except cower in place and hope for the best or wait for the end. Its rather soul destroying to think I fought so hard for so many years to make the world a safer place for future generations, and it's all been rough shod over for the sake of money and power.
Truly we are fighting an evil that has no bounds.
I'm old and tired of it now. Modern youngsters don't care like we did, as they are not taught the horrors of it.
I'm done with it. Yes, I still care, but can no longer push loaded wheelbarrows with holes in and flat tires uphill.
At least we had new shiny wheelbarrows, the strength of our convictions and passion.
I'm just gonna keep living as low impact a life as possible , and hope and pray each day that good will triumph over evil in the end, and humanity will prosper with a different mindset in the end.
In the 70s I had the hope, passion , conviction, and fight of youth. Now...I'm just tired.
Sometimes I feel it was all for nothing. So very sad.
 
The 2022 edition has some updated sections which cover more modern technology and also Russia and Ukraine. Other than that it's largely unchanged from previous editions. But then why would it need to be? The laws of physics haven't changed since the cold war so the information is still just as relevant as ever. :D


That sounds interesting but the website didn't load when I tried it. :(
Try the Facebook oage

Or my website

And here is my original 1980’s copy of the book
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