If it were me I would be inclined to go for something warmer. I just don't think a wool blanket and fleece lining is quite up to three nights on Dartmoor at this time of year.
Bed Rolls - Temperature Related
- Thread starter pjklondon
- Start date
-
Hey Guest, Early bird pricing on the Summer Moot (29th July - 10th August) available until April 6th, we'd love you to come. PLEASE CLICK HERE to early bird price and get more information.
With good skills you can be warm dry and comfortable with a lot less than you propose - but you spend a lot more time hunting up firewood and vegetation for a bed base
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115088
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115088
Jerven Bag Thermo
Period.
It's a sleeping bag, bivvy bag, insulated tent, hammock, stormponcho, "Ansitzsack"/Hunter's Cloak.
Awesome
Www.jerven.com
Period.
It's a sleeping bag, bivvy bag, insulated tent, hammock, stormponcho, "Ansitzsack"/Hunter's Cloak.
Awesome
Www.jerven.com
Exactly what he said; pretty clear!
On a lighter note, is there an impending 'Bushcrafter Spring' on the horizon?
Exactly what he said; pretty clear!
On a lighter note, is there an impending 'Bushcrafter Spring' on the horizon?
And said on my part for re-enforcement of a previous post and I do hope that is now pretty clear or have I missed something? The OP has not been back for a couple of weeks and I'd guess thats due to replies not fitting his personal agenda. You often see people joining forums (Bushcraft/Survival) with pretty much fixed ideas and when more practical alternatives are offered they 'bug out'.
Its OK playing/dressing up/kitting out as a 'Mountain Man' / retro camper/survialist in the comfort of woodland here in the UK but if the poster is really, and I mean really looking at building a 'Go Bag' then sense/science/design says dump the bedroll, its not rocket science and I hope that is pretty clear Gordon.
Last edited:
Yes, I'm with you Richard and find your advice concise and very sound from your years of experience.
Last edited:
Oh, I forgot to add that the OP is possibly still perusing the forums here just not in the 'signed in' mode.
Last edited:
You are right Richard. I see this all the time. People have already decided what they want and are just seeking validation for their choices. When someone offers more practical options they don't want to hear it. The problem is that instead of looking around for different options and comparisons, a lot of new people pick their favorite YouTube guru and pattern themselves after him, regardless of whether he knows what he is doing or not. For example, I know exactly where the OP got his idea for his insulation choices, and it was a poor idea when that guy did it, and it is still a poor choice compared to the alternatives.
Yea good point. im thinking a bug out motor home is whats needed
yeah it would be essential seeing as he don't know if he can survive three days in summer despite having done trips with elite troops
Yeah, kinda why I was asking if there was an impending 'Bushcrafter Spring' on the horizon I should be worried about. You know, with the inter webs we are really just one big community, now.
It depends for what. It could be seen as a poor choice for an emergency as you want to jump in a be warm, but not if he wants to do things historically. As someone said any fool can be uncomfortable, but it takes more skill to be comfortable with wool blankets, tarp and fire as opposed to a tent and a four season sleeping bag in my opinion as you rely more on other skills such as fire making. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean its wrong all together and what you deem a poor choice isn't the way other feel, it's an opinion, you ant call it poor full stop, that's what you think, not a fact. I've gone on a small rant as I don't believe you can rule something out full stop just because it's personally not for your liking.
It's a poor choice as an insulator. For the same weight and volume it provides substentially less insulation. You can carry it for various other reasons, but that wasn't the question asked. If the OP was "I'm trying to create a historically accurate 19th century bedroll; what should I use", we would be having a different conversation.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk
well here is a fact for you, there is no blanket/fleece liner combination as suggested in OP that is less bulky than my down bag (even if including my bivy bag too), member rg598 reply shown below is absolutely correct and is yes also a fact too not an opinion.
I'd hope by day four that the hotels were open again and one could check in, have a shower, a jolly good meal and a bottle of cheeky red wine.
going back to the op - 'survival' is an interesting topic.
Yesterday I did something dumb and left my overmitts and overshoes at home (for cycling to and from home). Fine-dry day so shouldn't need them. By hometime it was raining at near freezing. I made it home miserable, fingers not far off frostbite. All because I'd not brought my 'emergency' clothes. Just a couple of bits of gear would have made all the difference.
I've 'slept' out in a summerweight buffalo bag when it was -5 air temp. I survived, but it wasn't a good night, I had a bellyful of food and was dry and warm when I got in the bag. What would it have been like if I'd gone to bed wet, cold and hungry? I'm not actually sure I'd have survived.
So I reckon if you are going to 'bug out' to somewhere in the open, you need to plan your gear for the worst state you could be in. Injured, tired, unfed and wet. Bad weather. Marginal gear could get you dead in one night.
Yesterday I did something dumb and left my overmitts and overshoes at home (for cycling to and from home). Fine-dry day so shouldn't need them. By hometime it was raining at near freezing. I made it home miserable, fingers not far off frostbite. All because I'd not brought my 'emergency' clothes. Just a couple of bits of gear would have made all the difference.
I've 'slept' out in a summerweight buffalo bag when it was -5 air temp. I survived, but it wasn't a good night, I had a bellyful of food and was dry and warm when I got in the bag. What would it have been like if I'd gone to bed wet, cold and hungry? I'm not actually sure I'd have survived.
So I reckon if you are going to 'bug out' to somewhere in the open, you need to plan your gear for the worst state you could be in. Injured, tired, unfed and wet. Bad weather. Marginal gear could get you dead in one night.
Ground insulation is key - and Dartmoor is not exactly a forest anymore, so finding ground litter or pine branches is not a given! Hanging only means that you'll get lots of cold air circulating under you too. So lets look at this as an exercise in "horses for courses" - ie Dartmoor in potential sub-zero temps.
Things to consider - I'll start!
1. Protection from rain (both whilst mobile and when sleeping)
2. Protection from ground/air if hanging
3. Clothing - can you use existing clothing as separate layer at night?
4. Sleeping bag - down for compactness/weight or man-made for effectiveness if it get wet?
5. Fire - use existing available resources - eg wood/peat/animal droppings if available versus carried-in fuel
6. Fire starters
7. Water source/purification
8. Cooking gear
9. Food
10. Navigation
11. First aid/medications
12. Communications
13. Transport
.............actually, this list is nearly endless!
Things to consider - I'll start!
1. Protection from rain (both whilst mobile and when sleeping)
2. Protection from ground/air if hanging
3. Clothing - can you use existing clothing as separate layer at night?
4. Sleeping bag - down for compactness/weight or man-made for effectiveness if it get wet?
5. Fire - use existing available resources - eg wood/peat/animal droppings if available versus carried-in fuel
6. Fire starters
7. Water source/purification
8. Cooking gear
9. Food
10. Navigation
11. First aid/medications
12. Communications
13. Transport
.............actually, this list is nearly endless!
Its not really hard though is it. Standard weekend away bag will cover you for three days. Id wager most people on the forum could pack a bag for 3 days on dartmoor without thinking about it.
