I bought a couple of pairs after reading your review John and IMHO they are fantastic outdoor pants. Tough and versatile. If I was to find only one fault (and it's not a fault really) they have no back pockets but they do have two map pockets on the legs, so what I kept in my back pocket simply lives in the map pocket. I opted for supergrade and Endys only had one in my size so offered me a pair with a small repair. I accepted and they knocked the price down. However when the pants arrived I was hard pressed to find the repair. Eventually a tiny bit of stitching (about 2.5mm) was found on the inner thigh. So in conclusion the TARS pants are awesome , and the service from Endicotts was amazing. It was my 1st endys purchase and I'll definitely be going there again.