Another idiot putting other people at risk..

[Stringmaker]

"Criticism for lost walker on Snowdon in jeans and trainers"

A walker was rescued from Snowdon in Gwynedd overnight after becoming lost in
difficult conditions including gales, snow and heavy rain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-25916362?SThisFB

I despair.

 

[ozzy1977]

Morons like this should be locked up and fined, only way to get the message across.

 

[Stringmaker]

At the very least they should incur the costs of the volunteer rescue teams; the RAF do it for a living.

Years ago I was coming down from Helvellyn in lashing rain and winds and met a couple of eejits going up in jeans and trainers. I just gawp sometimes at the decision making/risk analysis of my fellow humans...

 

[boatman]

Yes ban everybody from the mountains except the RIGHT sort of people. What nonsense, people do silly things and various services assist them. Should every knife or saw user who has cut themselves badly be charged at the A&E? Oh yes, and fined as well of course for carelessness. Should the overloaded, more than fully equipped, person on a mountain who needs treatment for heat exhaustion in Summer be fined as well? Extra charges for soldiers collapsing in the Brecons as well "eejits" eh?

 

[boatman]

Please note from the news item that he was escorted back, not carried, so was perfectly able to have walked out by himself. His sin therefore is in losing his way and he might well have sorted that out in time by himself.

 

[Coldfeet]

Call it natural selection - leave 'em to it.

 

[Stringmaker]

Yes ban everybody from the mountains except the RIGHT sort of people. What nonsense, people do silly things and various services assist them. Should every knife or saw user who has cut themselves badly be charged at the A&E? Oh yes, and fined as well of course for carelessness. Should the overloaded, more than fully equipped, person on a mountain who needs treatment for heat exhaustion in Summer be fined as well? Extra charges for soldiers collapsing in the Brecons as well "eejits" eh?

Don't over react.

Going up into the mountains in January without proper clothing is wilfull ignorance NOT an accident.

 

[chimpy leon]

I think fining a person for being lost on a snowy mountain is a tad excessive.
However, I once saw a women wearing flip flops, whilst carrying a small "lap" type dog half way up Ben Nevis as I was on my way down. Which I thought was a bit daft.

 

[Stringmaker]

Please note from the news item that he was escorted back, not carried, so was perfectly able to have walked out by himself. His sin therefore is in losing his way and he might well have sorted that out in time by himself.

"A spokesperson for Aberglaslyn Mountain Rescue Team, which was also called out, said: “A rescue helicopter from RAF Valley on Anglesey was called to assist, but due to the snow and heavy rain attempts to reach the casualty proved fruitless.

“Meanwhile, a small party of Llanberis Mountain Rescue Team members was dispatched on foot, and arrived on scene with the male shortly after 9pm with the use of crampons required to reach him.

“Upon their arrival, it was clear that the male was suffering from the effects of hypothermia, and was unable to walk off the hill under his own steam."

At the point he was rescued he was in hypothermia; he would have died without being found.

http://www.grough.co.uk/magazine/20...othermic-snowdon-walker-in-jeans-and-trainers

 

[Humpback]

💣..........................


Alan

 

[boatman]

Later on in that article "“Luckily, the male was provided with warm clothing and was able to walk off the hill with the assistance of mountain rescue team personnel.” So he could not have been suffering from hypothermia, maybe close to it and it was an unfortunate choice he had made earlier as to his walk but "eejit", fined, locked up etc, definitely not.

 

[Stringmaker]

Later on in that article "“Luckily, the male was provided with warm clothing and was able to walk off the hill with the assistance of mountain rescue team personnel.” So he could not have been suffering from hypothermia, maybe close to it and it was an unfortunate choice he had made earlier as to his walk but "eejit", fined, locked up etc, definitely not.

He went up there totally unprepared; that is not an unfortunate choice. Snowdon, January, Snow, Rain, Gales, RAF helicopter unable to land; it was awful up there. Walking up in jeans and trainers is stupidity.

In my book he is most definitely an eejit and can count himself lucky to be alive.

 

[rancid badger]

I've seen a good few over the years, including almost a coach full of Japanese tourists, who had walked up to the "Hole in The Wall" via Grisedale from Patterdale, where presumably their coach was parked. They were all wearing shoes or sandals etc, I don't recall seeing many jackets and no backpacks etc. Plenty of camera's mind you.

The worst episode was a bloke we met on our way down from Sca Fell Pike in horizontal rain, poor visibility and fading light. He was wearing a pac a mac, jeans and ordinary cotton shirt, had no hat or gloves and as we approached asked us for "directions to Sca Fell Pike please?".

We told him straight, that his best bet was to turn around and go back the way he had come, as the conditions were getting worse by the minute. He said he wasn't sure where he was, so I asked if he had a map. He did but he was keeping it in his "pack"( what looked like the kind of thing a primary school child might carry their lunch in ) to keep it dry.I told him it was no good in there if he didn't know where he was and did he have a compass by the way?-"No I don't know how they work" came the reply.

Anyway I showed him where he was( Sprinkling tarn), where Sca Fell Pike was and told him how far he still had to go, both in distance and height. He wouldn't turn around but told us he would "head right, then turn left at the next tarn down and head down into Wasdale head".

We offered one last time to escort him back to Seathwaite ( His -and our- starting point) but he wouldn't be on so we went our separate ways.


What else could you do?

 

[Damascus]

"They walk this earth"
i had an experience, mum, dad. And two young children about 8 & 10. In jeans and trainers, no water proofs and sweat shirts around their waists.
location, top of kinder scout, in October, with some very black skies.
conversation, they came like this "do you know where you are"
" yes"
Mum asks "could you show me, we seem a bit lost"
i showed them on my OS map, now looking confused, "your map is different to mine" and showed me a brochure map from the car park, showing all the car parks in the area.
i asked where they were headed and they explained they had come out from Sheffield for the day and thought they would go for a walk and it didn't seem very far to walk over the top of kinder scout and down to lady bower water.
I had to bite my tongue and showed them the very black clouds in the sky and asked can you remember the way back you came, they said yes, I advised them to go back, as they would be getting wet, shortly from the rain.
"do you think so?", yes and explained if they were to do this again get a proper map and some appropriate clothing as the weather can change quickly. They thanked me and walked off, it could have turned out a lot worse as the rain was horrendous and lasted a good hour or more making an already boggy land very slippery.

"Yes, they truly walk this earth"

 

[fishfish]

Call it natural selection - leave 'em to it.

wish we had a 'like' button.

 

[bonoeuf]

Why was he there and what was his mind set. Was he just out for a walk and had no experience of mountains? did the weather look good and he had no understanding of how quickly it can change? was he an eejit. I do not know the answers. So when I read a story like this this I am glad of the volunteers of mountain rescue that go out to help. A journalist will write a story with whatever information he or she thought they may have been told and then add a bit for effect. His hypothermia could have been just noticeable and made better by extra warm clothing, enough to get him to walk off the hill. I have seen many people on the hills in good weather with trainers and no extra clothing, they were fine because the weather did not change. They may not be so lucky the next time, were they all eejits, no just a bit ignorant of the dangers on the hill.
Mild hypothermia

If someone has mild hypothermia (generally with a body temperature of 32-35˚C), the symptoms aren't always obvious but they can include:
constant shivering
tiredness
low energy
cold or pale skin
fast breathing (hyperventilation)
Moderate hypothermia

Moderate cases of hypothermia (generally with a body temperature of 28-32˚C) can include symptoms such as:
being unable to think or pay attention
confusion
loss of judgement and reasoning (someone with hypothermia may decide to remove clothing despite being very cold)
difficulty moving around
loss of co-ordination
drowsiness
slurred speech
slow, shallow breathing (hypoventilation)

 

[Barn Owl]

I don't see why anyone shouldn't go to the hills in whatever garb they want.
If they call on mountain rescue,then they'll go and help because they want to get into the hills too,if they didn't, then they wouldn't be volunteers.
They're under no obligation to do so.
The RN rescue near me, busiest in the land, seem to enjoy all the call outs,plenty of real life scenarios for when they're going to be deployed rescuing military personnel.
Of course the folk that go unprepared are at times unwise but if that's how they want to explore,then that's their choice.
(talking about individuals, not the likes of parents with children)

 

[Stringmaker]

I'm as much of a libertarian as the next man and agree that we should all be free to make choices........as long as the consequences of our choices don't endanger anyone else.

I repeat; Snowdon, January, Yaddah yaddah yaddah. The likelihood that the conditions up there would make jeans and trainers utterly useless and thus render him in need of help was obvious surely?

At some point, personal responsibility has to come into it.

 

[mrcharly]

Later on in that article "“Luckily, the male was provided with warm clothing and was able to walk off the hill with the assistance of mountain rescue team personnel.” So he could not have been suffering from hypothermia, maybe close to it and it was an unfortunate choice he had made earlier as to his walk but "eejit", fined, locked up etc, definitely not.

I think that means that the mountain rescue team provided the warm clothing.

Fined, erm, maybe not. *asked firmly* to provide a donation to the costs of his rescue, yes.

 

[leon-1]

Just a quick reminder as some people appear to be getting agitated, please keep things civil.