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Nasa themselves say they cant.
If NASA themselves are now saying that they've 'lost' the knowledge of how to take a man to the moon then I say that I think NASA must be lying. Simple as that.

Besides they still have much of the equipment that was used for the moon missions stored in a museum. I bet they still have all of the rocket and lander design and construction blueprints stored in a library too. For arguments sake lets hypothetically say that NASA has somehow 'forgotten' how it was all done. They could just just reverse engineer everything they have and would be able to quickly regain the knowledge. Surely that's something which would be done pronto if only for high priority of military strategic purposes.

Nah I'm not buying it. The only logical explanation is that they're lying.
 
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If NASA themselves are now saying that they've 'lost' the knowledge of how to take a man to the moon

It’s being misrepresented. We don’t have the same technology that was used to go to the moon 60 years ago because it was scrapped due to being obsolete. So we don’t have that literal technology.

We have much more advanced technology which could do it if we so desired.

It’s like saying we no longer have the technology to siege a castle. Of course we have the technological capability, we just don’t have a bunch of catapults hanging around because they’re hugely outdated.
 
It’s being misrepresented. We don’t have the same technology that was used to go to the moon 60 years ago because it was scrapped due to being obsolete. So we don’t have that literal technology.

We have much more advanced technology which could do it if we so desired.

It’s like saying we no longer have the technology to siege a castle. Of course we have the technological capability, we just don’t have a bunch of catapults hanging around because they’re hugely outdated.

Speak for yourself.
 
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If NASA themselves are now saying that they've 'lost' the knowledge of how to take a man to the moon then I say that I think NASA must be lying. Simple as that.

Besides they still have much the equipment that was used for the moon missions stored in a museum. I bet they still have all of the rocket and lander design and construction blueprints stored in a library too. For arguments sake lets hypothetically lets say that NASA has somehow 'forgotten' how it was all done. They could just just reverse engineer everything they have and would be able to quickly regain the knowledge. Surely that's something which would be done pronto if only for high priority of military strategic purposes.

Nah I'm not buying it. The only logical explanation is that they're lying.
Or that they lied in 69.

Cold war... space race...Competition from Russia with huge global implications... Neither country tried since... Did it with computers with the processing power of a modern day calculator..., but apparently had voice comms and live video feed from 250k miles away...Neither of which existed before that very moment. Russia having 4 cosmonaut's killed before getting out of low earth orbit... America having had 3 died on a launchpad but none after a successful take off .... but now they lost/forgot/destroyed their own ability to do it...haven't been back since the 'apollo' program... but still make films about it... Wonder why all current space work is basically sent to Elon Musk and space X... They weren't there in 69, but have made more progress than NASA in the last 10 years than NASA has since the 50's...

The kit they used back then, couldn't resist the temperature, pressure and radiation involved in leaving low earth orbit. There was no communication equipment capabale of sending and receiving voice/live video over 250,000 miles in 1969.

Sorry mate, I just don't see it.
 
It’s being misrepresented. We don’t have the same technology that was used to go to the moon 60 years ago because it was scrapped due to being obsolete. So we don’t have that literal technology.

We have much more advanced technology which could do it if we so desired.

It’s like saying we no longer have the technology to siege a castle. Of course we have the technological capability, we just don’t have a bunch of catapults hanging around because they’re hugely outdated.
Slightly different Chris... Ever So Slightly. Building a tebuchet is not even close the same level as sending people to another body in space. Bit of 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' going on in there mate.

Like comparing driving a car to riding a horse.
 
Or that they lied in 69.
That is always another possibility that the moon landings were faked and that we have never had the technology to do it.

I'm fairly skeptical of this conspiracy theory but I don't claim to know the truth for sure either way either. I've looked at some of the evidence on the internet both for and against it being faked and while there are several suspicious elements involved and questions outstanding I've seen nothing which definitively proves it either way either. Does make you wonder though.
 
I dont claim to know the truth either mate. But i ask myself this....

Which seems more likely...?

That we could do it then, (1969) but cant now.....
Or that we couldn't do it then, and still can't?

In 69... No mobile phones, no wifi, (yet managed to get wifi vid and sound from the moon) The first games console wouldn't be released for another 8 years, no wireless calls, no wireless videos, no medium in which to use them if they existed...

2026... All of the above is public domain, and then some..

69, went to the moon, no problems... Just a tv show to prove it...
2026.... Not going anywhere... and a thousand tv shows to stop people thinking enough to ask a 'stupid question' that no one wants to try and answer.

...
 
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Slightly different Chris... Ever So Slightly. Building a tebuchet is not even close the same level as sending people to another body in space. Bit of 'Reductio Ad Absurdum' going on in there mate.

Like comparing driving a car to riding a horse.
Not at all. It’s an entirely reasonable comparison to explain how the comment is misleading.

Ironic to suggest my explanation is the absurd one, really.

Anyway, think I am done with this as it’s turning into pigeon chess.
 
I dont claim to know the truth either mate. But i ask myself this....

Which seems more likely...?

That we could do it then, (1969) but cant now.....
Or that we couldn't do it then, and still can't?

In 69... No mobile phones, no wifi, (yet managed to get wifi vid and sound from the moon) The first games console wouldn't be released for another 8 years, no wireless calls, no wireless videos, no medium in which to use them if they existed...

2026... All of the above is public domain, and then some..

69, went to the moon, no problems... Just a tv show to prove it...
2026.... Not going anywhere... and a thousand tv shows to stop people thinking enough to ask a 'stupid question' that no one wants to try and answer.

...
I think what NASA means is that they don't have the equipment on hand to take a man to the moon now rather than they have actually 'forgotten' how to do it.

The 1960's equipment is old and unmaintained. In order to send another man too the moon again it would require a massive investment of time and money to manufacture an entire new space program from scratch. A major undertaking for sure. New spaceships would be designed utilizing upto date technology advancements and built using better modern construction techniques. Maybe existing manufacturing facilities (such as the SpaceX factories) could be repurposed to build it all but likely some totally new ones would need to be purposely designed and built specifically for the job too.

This would likely take several years of work and investment. Much of it starting again from scratch to get someone to the moon again now. But this is not the same thing and saying that we have 'forgotten' and no longer have the knowledge or and technical know how to do it.

However with all that said... I am still somewhat skeptical of NASA's claims. There are as you say some suspicious circumstances surrounding it all and it certainly wouldn't be the first time that a government has told whopping big lies to the public. Personally I'm on the fence. As I say I don't actually know the truth and have not seen any evidence which conclusively proves it either way. However I would still think (more of a gut feeling than based on any factual proof) that there is a higher probably that we did go to the moon 60 years ago than not. But I'm far from certain and do still wonder.
 
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It is known that the Moon Race had such a hectic pace that a lot of things did not get documented properly if at all. So it is probably true that we do not know everything involved. That is not the same as "we can't get a man to the Moon". By putting as much money into it as went into Apollo project, Yankees could get there. Unless their normal government procurement policies are used then they might not get into earth orbit.
 
For me, any global conspiracy theory has the same issue: The conspiracy.

In a world in which even minor political “secrets” are leaked on a regular basis I have difficulty believing that so many people are keeping a secret so securely for so long.

Moon landing, flat Earth or phone masts; secrets so efficiently maintained by organisations as inept and with so many disaffected ex staff/members as governments and corporations? Unlikely!
 
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Intelligence in animals and birds is often measured in their creativity at problem solving, tool use, and so forth, is it not? We're only animals with illusions of grandeur. Personally I would consider your 'clever' people were demonstrating education and memory as much as intelligence.

I agree with this - intelligence I think must include an element of creative application or else we would still be dealing with things in the same way.

Before something becomes the new way of approaching problems there must be a conceptual element - concept of Zero , Algebra , A.I etc.
 
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How can you assure us Broch?

History states we landed on the moon in 1969 ( during the cold war). Yet NASA themselves have stated that we cant put men on the moon today, because the technology to do so was lost... How was it lost? 1969 vs 2026... 57 years difference. Yet we cant land on the moon today. But 57 years before the moon landing, was basically when we developed basic aircraft for military use.... Sopwith Camel.... moon landing.... F35... Can build F35's with impunity, wont ever build the camel again... cant go back to the moon. Literally makes no sense at all. What tech did we lose after '69, that we cant reproduce today?

Quite a bit actually. The moon landing tech was specific to the application, and we cannot easily reproduce it.

Any given technology, whether a cathedral or the moon landings, grows out of the skills and capabilities of the society of the time.

For example. In the 1960's and 1970's, computers were mainframe-terminal set up with green text screens. Relatively few machines, small batch production, specialist programs. Compare to the diffuse mass-produced electronics of today..... so minaturised and difficult to make that some chips come from only one factory ("fab" plant). The complexity is such that the market to make it pay needs to be global.

So the skills for using and maintaining the old stuff die away.

A current situation. In the early 1970's, British Rail procured a computer mainframe to run the railway train paths- TOPS. It still underpins the railway today, and only now is the project to replace it happening. And even then, it works very well and is only being replaced because the mainframe parts and skills to repair, maintain and amend the programming are dying out.

The social dimension. All engineering tasks to at least some degree depend on tacit skills to make the theoretical process work. But, as we automate processes and systems and the last people who remember how to set the system up and get it working from scratch (vs just keeping it going) retire, made redundant and/or die, the skills are not passed on, and they are lost.

I read somewhere that when the USA started making nucs again, they had to find the last few people alive who had got a particularly delicate critical process to work, so they could train a new generation. Skills fade because accountant types don't value them and so the cost of passing them along is saved until (in many cases) it's too late.

It's also a case of scale. There are indeed a handful of artisans with the skills to recreate the carvings on the old cathedrals, they are typically employed maintaining those buildings. But do we have enough of them to reproduce a whole building in a sensible timescale (even if we could afford it)? I doubt it, would need to train a new generation.

Smaller scale. How many people can spin a good quality thread by hand these days? Not many I wager, yes the skills could be rebuilt but it's a generational thing.

Another one. The building of qanats and other traditional water management systems in the middle East.

It's really easy to lose technology if society moves along to something different or an implementation which is "better" (usually more automated). But automation brings trade-offs, for example there's some fabrics that cannot be produced by machine and so are still produced by hand amongst a few families in India. If they don't pass on the skills, they will be lost until someday the underlying skillset (handweaving) becomes common and redeveloped enough to once again reach that peak.

GC
 
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I'd love to get one of those!

Searching for one, I stumbled upon an article claiming that "the best AI tools stopped adding extra fingers years ago".

 
I like those things that pop up if you search something like 'jazz, rain, cafe' on YouTube. Apart from the frequently amusing montages of romanticized cityscapes, speaking as a jazz bore, the AI generated 'jazz', though clunky, lacking argument or any grace, is quite interesting to listen to for what it is in itself.
 
It reminded me of something I heard or read about the space programs of the '60s and the arms race, especially test pilots: "if we're not losing people, we're not trying hard enough".

Society has become much more risk averse. Dying because you crashed your experimental fighter jet is nobody's dream.
1945 - 1989 Sweden lost 600 (sixhundred) pilots and Sweden wasn´t even at war. They trained just as if it was war (like flying just above treetops to attack foreign ships at sea) in all weather conditions. They used war time safety protocols.
 
It’s being misrepresented. We don’t have the same technology that was used to go to the moon 60 years ago because it was scrapped due to being obsolete. So we don’t have that literal technology.
Apparently a pocket calculator today have the same capacity as the computers that were used for the moonlanding.
 

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