308 round found in my local wood

[santaman2000]

Without wishing to sound too pedantic, 150-165 grain bullets would see velocities under 3000 fps, even a very light 100 - 110 grain bullet would only produce a velocity of around 3,000 - 3300 fps. And the heavier the bullet the slower the velocity.

I'll have to get back to you when I find my loading manulas (having a bit of difficulty doing that ATM) but seems a bit slow for a 30 cal round. I KNOW it's slow for a 50-70 grain sabot round.

 

[bb07]

Without wishing to sound too pedantic, 150-165 grain bullets would see velocities under 3000 fps, even a very light 100 - 110 grain bullet would only produce a velocity of around 3,000 - 3300 fps. And the heavier the bullet the slower the velocity.

I noticed the incorrect velocities stated in an above post as well but didn't want to say anything. You sir, are correct. I assume you are also a .308 Win. owner?
For someone curious: .308 Winchester

santaman -yes, sabots allow much higher velocities but I don't know anyone that actually bothers to use them. Standard loads are the norm here. Either way, it's likely lights out if you get hit, as I'm sure you know (depending on where hit of course)

 

[Countryman]

Regardless a bod with an open ticket on private land can shoot it any way he see's fit.

If you were in the wrong place at the wrong time it would be a tragic accident. Bloke might lose his ticket.


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[Countryman]

Several powders will comfortably push a 100gr past 3300fps, a 200gr takes a lot to shift it over 2500fps.

Nobody is going to be stalking or whacking vermin in a woodland with a load worked up for 1000 metre plus shooting though.

A typical factory hunting load isn't going to take you near 3300. More 2600 territory.


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[boatman]

Yes there is a few pheasant shoots that have to display the dates they are shooting on some footpaths around here and people cannot walk there on that day.

Permissive paths maybe but a regular footpath? Be interested to see the legislation that allowed a public footpath to be closed.

 

[Ivan...]

Without wishing to sound too pedantic, 150-165 grain bullets would see velocities under 3000 fps, even a very light 100 - 110 grain bullet would only produce a velocity of around 3,000 - 3300 fps. And the heavier the bullet the slower the velocity.

Not pedantic at all , i was told by the owner of a Sako, he let me have a go on that was the fps, still one in the ear at 3000 would be enough! Just rang him and said feeding me duff info, i misheard, the 17 calibre remington he has (only for fox) is 4000 fps and can be up to 4300 fps, but barrel life is crap, was originally developed for coyote (pelts), as there is no exit wound as the bullet disintegrates on impact, even a blade of grass, the police in this country love them as there is no chance of ricochet.

Ivan...

 

[Ivan...]

Permissive paths maybe but a regular footpath? Be interested to see the legislation that allowed a public footpath to be closed.

i don't know about closing footpaths, but around our way where a clearly signed Public Footpath, sign is, they quite often put up signs saying there is a shoot in progress, much the same as woodland operations i guess.



Ivan...

 

[santaman2000]

..... santaman -yes, sabots allow much higher velocities but I don't know anyone that actually bothers to use them. Standard loads are the norm here. Either way, it's likely lights out if you get hit, as I'm sure you know (depending on where hit of course)

Nor do i know anyone (personally) who uses sabots. That said, someone must, they seem to sell quite a few of them. At any rate, my intention was to show just how versatile the caliber is; it's not just a heavy game round.

 

[santaman2000]

I noticed the incorrect velocities stated in an above post as well but didn't want to say anything. You sir, are correct. I assume you are also a .308 Win. owner?
For someone curious: .308 Winchester ......

I still haven't been able to locate my loading manuals (that's starting to annoy me!) but you might be right; I have shot a 308 several times but TBH I'm more familiar with 30-06 (of which I own, or have owned, five) The standard velocity in that is almost 3000fps for a cast lead bullet, and higher for jacketed bullets (3400-3650) I know a 308 will be less, but not drastically so.

I still have to find my loading manuals though

 

[santaman2000]

Several powders will comfortably push a 100gr past 3300fps, a 200gr takes a lot to shift it over 2500fps.

Nobody is going to be stalking or whacking vermin in a woodland with a load worked up for 1000 metre plus shooting though.

A typical factory hunting load isn't going to take you near 3300. More 2600 territory.


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That sounds more realistic for 308 on reflection. That said, what serious 308 shooter actually shoots factory loads?

 

[British Red]

That said, what serious 308 shooter actually shoots factory loads?

The British Army

 

[Countryman]

Plenty do for live quarry. Remember our laws only allow the use of expanding rounds on animals. Also unassembled expanding bullets cannot be posted and must be treated as assembled. Basically it's a pain.

If you were only shooting Deer and Fox what constitutes a lot of ammunition? 50 to 100 rounds a year?

Not really worth setting up to reload at that volume.


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[wingstoo]

what serious 308 shooter actually shoots factory loads?

The British Army

And RAF Regt, Royal marines,

Though more likely known as 7.62mm than .308in

 

[British Red]

I still have to find my loading manuals though

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[santaman2000]

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Thanks. But that still doesn't help me find my manuals. I take it this data is from the Speer manual?

 

[santaman2000]

The British Army

The Army (any Army) are hardly serious shooters as a whole. The rank and file shoot once or twice a year to qualify. Granted the Army competition teams do shoot very seriously indeed; but they use handloaded bullets. Likewise for the Marines and Air force shooting teams.

 

[British Red]

You clearly have a definition different to my own as to what makes a "serious shooter"

 

[wingstoo]

A lot of the competitions my old man shot in were done with standard NATO ammunition, he wouldn't know how to hand load a shopping trolley let alone a 7.62mm FMJ, or a 9mm Parabellum... Though on the small bore .22 competitions they probably used Match ammo rather than issued.

 

[carabao]

The Army (any Army) are hardly serious shooters as a whole. The rank and file shoot once or twice a year to qualify. Granted the Army competition teams do shoot very seriously indeed; but they use handloaded bullets. Likewise for the Marines and Air force shooting teams.

Santayana, tosh, I served 8 years, in an infantry regiment, we shot a minimum twice a month, in N.I. It was every week. As for taking it serious, at depot I qualified for my marksman badge as did all of my training platoon, this qualification I maintained through out my career. I also qualified on my Battalions sniper cadre, and went on to Warminster and qualified there. When, a person chambers a round and is in a position too take a life, he takes it serious, sorry to sound dramatic, but it is a serious business.

 

[wingstoo]

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Apart from a few bowling trophies which are fairly obvious the rest are shooting cups, medals and trophies.

He was also a member of the team that one this one back in the 1970's

I didn't follow him in the Military, though I could put a 63mm group down at 100mtrs with Iron sights and standard NATO Ball ammunition and IIRC it was Early December 1982 ;-)