ALL tv-show (no matter what they are about) are about creating drama and conflicts.
Wales based survival TV experience.
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It wasn't Myself that you replied too.
So no need to thank me.
I do find it interesting however that a lot of times , in many different threads over the years , you do seem to revert to an argument or perspective based around sexism in some way - be that misandry or feeling you are in some strange way persecuted because of A ) Your sex , as opposed to B ) The opinion or viewpoint you've aired or voiced.
And when then challenged on that by others- seemingly cry wolf and throw your toys out the pram ?
I assume you feel you need to do so ??
Maybe we just all see what we want to see for reasons of internal bias.
……. creating a story that sells and attracts advertisers.
The time line is very rarely straight. Fill in shooting makes for clearer video. Out also enables the producer to exaggerate reactions and consequences.
It’s nothing to do with survival.
I feel the need to defend the lady. As a woman, if you step out of the societal norms and try to do do things that a lot of women don't , then you hit all sorts of barriers, that are not necessarily apparent or understood by men.
Woody Girl has had an interesting life and eventful life, (so far, it aint over!) and had to overcome many of those barriers. (e.g being a motorcyclist is unusual, being an instructor is almost a unicorn). Many others are financial.
I've been fortunate to have known quite a few women like that in many sorts of life, and appreciate that it makes you far more aware, and yes sensitive, to those issues. It's the same as experiencing racism or disability issues.
Having already stepped outside of the norm, it becomes a small step to wish to call out those issues. Sometimes wrongly, or too strongly, and triggered based on their own experiences, but more often quite correctly. Calling out will always raise hackles & reaction from others because it is outside their norms.
We all naturally have a defensive bias and initial positions, based on our previous experiences and knowledge. This is a good thing, and helps keep us wary while we decide if that is really a sabre tooth tiger or a large fluffy cat. But we do not have to poke it with a stick to find out...
I was a bit suspicious too, Having seen the advert on my own pages now. I definitely think it’s a fake. Goodness knows why anyone would need to do that.
Are you suggesting this only applies to women stepping outside of societal norms??
Men cant possibly experience the same. ? < rhetorical >
After looking at several of not just these shows, but office politics and psychology studies I think that there are as many opposing sex personality types that can have a negative impact on group dynamics but it does seem get described in a different manner - one persons " toxically controlling " becomes another " independently assertive " can seem to change upon what type of underwear they have.
Yes we no doubt do - but it seems to be for some sake of double standards that escapes my logic socially acceptable to voice Misandry based comments but not Misogyny related ones, or one becomes lambasted for pointing out the inconsistent hypocrisy.
If equality is what people want then let us have it ,and call out sexist comments for what they are.
If some one behaves in a manner that is seen as a negative upon group dynamics can that be seen as that behaviour relating to the individual person as opposed to their sex?
Entitlement -Toxic -Aggressive-Assertive-Alpha-Queen Bee-Karen-Princess- etc etc
Your question to Woody Girl was about women, misandry, and her apparent changeable position. You were triggered by her tongue-in-cheek joke about mainly male forum reactions, she was right and you fell for it!
One of those wry funny faces might have been a better reply.
My defence was purely about women and I referred to racism and disability only as examples, that might be easier to recognise. There are of course, as you suggest, myriads of others.
The familial workload of women and lack of recognition of them is probably common ground to all women. That it triggered Woody Girl into a response, and an example of women bringing literally home the bacon, is entirely understandable. I've heard similar many times.
It is not misandry (had to look that one up), nor have I seen anything like it in her postings. A defensive wariness at most. Hatred of men by women is a very different and nasty dangerous thing, like racism on steroids, with simmering anger. Once seen or experienced, never to be forgotten, far different to favouritism or bias.
I did not consider or refer to shows or office politics, that is your issue and I tend to agree with you.
But none of that relates to double standards and what is considered to be, or not to be acceptable, - that is decided totally irrationally by the public mob and who shouts loudest and influences them the most. There is no rhyme or ability to reason with it when it attacks.
One of those wry funny faces might have been a better reply.
My defence was purely about women and I referred to racism and disability only as examples, that might be easier to recognise. There are of course, as you suggest, myriads of others.
The familial workload of women and lack of recognition of them is probably common ground to all women. That it triggered Woody Girl into a response, and an example of women bringing literally home the bacon, is entirely understandable. I've heard similar many times.
It is not misandry (had to look that one up), nor have I seen anything like it in her postings. A defensive wariness at most. Hatred of men by women is a very different and nasty dangerous thing, like racism on steroids, with simmering anger. Once seen or experienced, never to be forgotten, far different to favouritism or bias.
I did not consider or refer to shows or office politics, that is your issue and I tend to agree with you.
But none of that relates to double standards and what is considered to be, or not to be acceptable, - that is decided totally irrationally by the public mob and who shouts loudest and influences them the most. There is no rhyme or ability to reason with it when it attacks.
No- No falling for anything.
There is a constant trend with some posters contributions. If you pay attention to the content for long enough you will sit and you will see the same common reaction when it is challenged. .
No back room whinging or moaning to mods from myself for my feelings or being "attacked" for online comments or flouncing away.
Equally not l that am triggered - I am calling out a common hypocrisy.
Thats quite an , old school patriarchal sexist view isnt it??
Maybe need to check your privilege ??
Oh no ...
( sigh), it was a tounge in cheek comment. Ease up chaps.!
Tee dee, you have me totaly wrong. I've worked in mostly male environments most of my life. As you know, banter is the norm...until I join in that is. Somebody always has to take umbrage or start psycho analysing me. Making me out to be some sort of ..don't know what to call it..., but assume I have issues. I like male company, doesn't mean I have to act like a typical female all the time...im not!
Get over it!
It takes all sorts to make a world. Some women like nail polish, hairdressers fancy shoes and handbags. Fine.
I don't mind dirt under my nails, cut my own hair, prefer boots and rucksacks.. I do have dresses, one bottle of nail polish in clear, and one pair of nice shoes. It's not how I live to be dressed up and fancy feminine.
Im practical and don't turn to a man everytime I need something. It's called being independent. Some chaps can't get that and it scares them, even if they don't admit it. Not that im daring to typcast you, as you have me. Just almost 70 yrs of observation of the most typical males.
As you will be aware, not all men are the same and some can even respect an independent female.
To others, ta for standing up for me, I appreciate it. Even if I do feel I can defend myself, and on occasion have.
Doesn't mean I've thrown my toys out of the pram because I havnt burst into a flood of tears, and have stood firm?
Today I got asked what I identified as... my reply with a totaly straight face...(but a twinkle in the eye, and tongue firmly in cheek....
Outer mongolian coracle builder......was accepted as perfectly normal. Jeez!
What's happened!!!!???????
Beam me up scotty, PLEASE!
Incidently I was asked my name, which is obviously female, then my sex, which was pretty obvious..I asked them if they needed glasses, then I was asked what I identified as. My increduality just over reacted a bit I guess. Im sick of this stupidity. It never used to be like this and I refuse to play by the madness of these new rules of stupid dumb butt questions and play my own game of stupid dumb butt replies. It's fun. We should all do it.
( sigh), it was a tounge in cheek comment. Ease up chaps.!
Tee dee, you have me totaly wrong. I've worked in mostly male environments most of my life. As you know, banter is the norm...until I join in that is. Somebody always has to take umbrage or start psycho analysing me. Making me out to be some sort of ..don't know what to call it..., but assume I have issues. I like male company, doesn't mean I have to act like a typical female all the time...im not!
Get over it!
It takes all sorts to make a world. Some women like nail polish, hairdressers fancy shoes and handbags. Fine.
I don't mind dirt under my nails, cut my own hair, prefer boots and rucksacks.. I do have dresses, one bottle of nail polish in clear, and one pair of nice shoes. It's not how I live to be dressed up and fancy feminine.
Im practical and don't turn to a man everytime I need something. It's called being independent. Some chaps can't get that and it scares them, even if they don't admit it. Not that im daring to typcast you, as you have me. Just almost 70 yrs of observation of the most typical males.
As you will be aware, not all men are the same and some can even respect an independent female.
To others, ta for standing up for me, I appreciate it. Even if I do feel I can defend myself, and on occasion have.
Doesn't mean I've thrown my toys out of the pram because I havnt burst into a flood of tears, and have stood firm?
Today I got asked what I identified as... my reply with a totaly straight face...(but a twinkle in the eye, and tongue firmly in cheek....
Outer mongolian coracle builder......was accepted as perfectly normal. Jeez!
What's happened!!!!???????
Beam me up scotty, PLEASE!
Incidently I was asked my name, which is obviously female, then my sex, which was pretty obvious..I asked them if they needed glasses, then I was asked what I identified as. My increduality just over reacted a bit I guess. Im sick of this stupidity. It never used to be like this and I refuse to play by the madness of these new rules of stupid dumb butt questions and play my own game of stupid dumb butt replies. It's fun. We should all do it.
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Perhaps, if banter was fine till you joined in, the problem was/is that you were/are not very good at banter?? Not everyone is.
I mean, you have been around long enough that you have seen what works and what doesn’t, yet you still tried something that didn’t read as banter. It read like someone trying to drag a conversation onto a new course that would align with their pet topic.
You introduced the subject of male vs female to the thread, said you were intentionally poking what you thought could be a wasp nest (without the
) gave it another shake to be sure and then hung out a sign so that no one could mistake it for an accident.
I am going to take you at your word that you don’t have any misandrist shoulder chip…but some of your posts can look like you do. Maybe Falstaff is right and it’s just a reaction to life experiences, but if no one tells you how it can come across, the reactions you get will keep being a mystery.
Anyway and also…
For your information, men in general are not intimidated by women who crow about doing DIY (or other stuff the women think are considered a preserve of men). They are just monumentally fatigued
Great, be independent, just quit bringing it up in conversation like anyone else cares! Blokes care about as much as you do when you hear single blokes defining themselves as independent because they cook and clean!
Have fun with your Mongolian coracle.
I mean, you have been around long enough that you have seen what works and what doesn’t, yet you still tried something that didn’t read as banter. It read like someone trying to drag a conversation onto a new course that would align with their pet topic.
You introduced the subject of male vs female to the thread, said you were intentionally poking what you thought could be a wasp nest (without the
) gave it another shake to be sure and then hung out a sign so that no one could mistake it for an accident.I am going to take you at your word that you don’t have any misandrist shoulder chip…but some of your posts can look like you do. Maybe Falstaff is right and it’s just a reaction to life experiences, but if no one tells you how it can come across, the reactions you get will keep being a mystery.
Anyway and also…
For your information, men in general are not intimidated by women who crow about doing DIY (or other stuff the women think are considered a preserve of men). They are just monumentally fatigued
Great, be independent, just quit bringing it up in conversation like anyone else cares! Blokes care about as much as you do when you hear single blokes defining themselves as independent because they cook and clean!Have fun with your Mongolian coracle.
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Why? I don't like them either, I prefer beeswax, which do smell nice, and natural.. Do you mean the highly synthetic scented ones ones, or just the scented candle scenario altogether?
Why does it worry you? I just avoid them like the plague! No worries.
If others wish to have their lungs full of synthetic stuff, it's on them.
Oh, swing the lantern
There we were, up at the Crannog centre. Group of Scottish BcUK folks. I was staying along at the owner's house, and came by very early, passed a very recent roadkill deer. On site and no one awake but Liz (Morch's missus).
We were looking at a cold fire and thinking what to do about breakfast. I said I'd seen the deer.
Liz looked at me, said, "We could have that", so we did.
Nipped round in the car, heaved it into the boot and drove back to the site. Hung it up with my big pot hooks and were starting to work out what we wanted off it (broken neck by the look of it) when the lads started to wake up.
Comments about the women doing the hunting/gathering while they slept, etc.
Driving home later, there were so many smears on the road of pheasants vs lorries that I was going slow around corners. Then we passed a knocked down cow, and the man sitting beside me immediately said no ! ye'll no' get it on the roof!
Edit; I started to type this out and suddenly this thread went sort of nuts !
It does that occasionally. But hey ho.good on ya for bringing home the bacon...or in that case the venison..
Did you get the cow too?
Did you get the cow too?
I think that most women are independent now. Men don’t care and in my experience it’s just normal and accepted by them. But if you keep on squeeking all about it constantly then you are going to get push back. Just do it and not talk about it and all will be good. It’s not doing us any favours otherwise. Men don’t care. I don’t see them whispering in the corner about how scary and unattractive we are when we do things we want to do. It’s the clingy types that they don’t not seem to like.
Mary,
Lovely post.
It is great to hear tales of ladies doing stuff like that, told without needing to elevate the feat further by detailing the mens’ deficiencies.
Lovely post.
It is great to hear tales of ladies doing stuff like that, told without needing to elevate the feat further by detailing the mens’ deficiencies.
Bushcraft is great. Hurrah. And this Wales thing looks like fake news to me. Not even Alone with their big production gives out a million.
Having listened to Theresa Kamper’s experience on Alone, and messages from a friend involved in the African series, there are often legal challenges involved in hunting and fishing even in places with apparently huge resources. Seasons, legal methods, size limits and so on. It’s kind of depressing to think that even something as big as Alone can struggle (fail) to find a place where contestants can deploy a full suite of skills and truly utilise all the resources available.
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