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Dont batton with your knife

Discussion in 'Bushcraft and survival skills' started by ozzy1977, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. ozzy1977

    ozzy1977 Full Member

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    Dont batton with your knife, it upsets some

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  2. Dave Budd

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    it certainly upsets me! If you need to split wood, then use the correct tool for the job: an axe or a froe.

    If you really must bludgen your knife through a log, then make sure you know how to do it correctly. Don't hit the tip and don't grip the handle, both of these things put impact stresses on the blade/tang. If you gently support the handle and hit the blade directly above the wood then you can safely split logs using a penknife ;)
     
  3. Clouston98

    Clouston98 Woodsman & Beekeeper

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    It's one of those things you do with some knives but not your favourite one I guess?

    I do it sometimes but usually have an axe so don't bother. It doesn't upset me when someone does - a knife is for using!
     
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    I have to agree........ use an Axe save your knife edge for what its meant for... cutting

    ok your in a survival situation.. or just too lazy to carry an Axe... well make some gluts...

    Or just learn to use an Axe safely...
     
  5. Wayne

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    I baton with a knife all the time plus I use axe and a have several froes. Only issues i have observed is when people bash the finger guard into a log.

    I have never broken a knife with a baton. Broken lots of batons though.
     
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    EDIT....Sorry Wayne, I've cross posted with you. I agree wholeheartedly :D



    :rolleyes:

    :D

    It's a skill, understand how to do it. Don't hit your knife with anything hard enough to mark the metal and it'll be fine.

    Ye gods, folks scrape firesteels with their knives :yikes: battoning is just splitting the fibres apart enough to let the timber split down it's length under any extra pressure. Learn to make and use wedges.

    If I can do it and not bust my knives, then surely the younger, much fitter and stronger males can too.

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  7. Stew

    Stew Bushcrafter through and through

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    Seen this here before and think it's great. :D
     
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    The real question is why would you want to?
     
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    must admit i have often done so. though usually due to lack axe or froe. Never knowingly damaged a knife doing it. I assume you dont do it as you make break/damage your knife doing it or is it more of a your damaging your knife a little everytime. Excuse my ignorance.
    didnt realise folks got so upset about it... will now go sit on the naughty step.
     
  10. demographic

    demographic Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)

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    What about cheapo hack knives? They are pretty much designed specifically for the job.
    Great for cleaning hard putty out of old windows.
     
  11. Stew

    Stew Bushcrafter through and through

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    For splitting and cutting, but I'm sure you knew that anyway. ;)
     
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    I will use a knife up to wrist thickness and an axe after that. seems to work for me and ive never broked a knife
     
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    The log coggled at this one to the left, so I left it and went for the other side knowing I'd get the first side later.

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    Once the cut is made a wedge battoned in helps break apart even the most stubborn of logs :)

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    Knife in sheath :)
     
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    LOL. I meant the broader "why."

    At home or in a base camp, use an axe

    On a short day hike or overnighter, if it's big enough it needs to be split, just don't use it; get a smaller stick. If it's too big to break over your knee; put it in the fire and it'll burn in two.
     
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    Up to wrist thickness I just burn whole. Thicker wood I don't use unless in a base camp or home fireplace with a proper axe.
     
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    Some people go mad and baton all the way down a long log when they could easily use a wedge cut from a side branch to finish the job started by their knife.

    However, for me the point about batoning is that you should be able to do it because you cant guarantee having an axe with you when you need one. This is especially true in the more survival oriented scenarios. Even if we are just on a happy stroll, it is often difficult to carry an axe without getting shot by an armed response unit.

    For these reasons, my take on the 'bushcraft knife' is that it is a small knife that can step up to do big jobs when you need it to.
     
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    Mary great picture tutorial :rolleyes:
     
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    if im prepping wood mate its usually for a honey stove or similar wood burner and the uk provides us with a lot of damp wood. i find splitting wrist thick stuff gives me a shot at finding the drier inner. if the wood is well seasoned and dry ill burn thinner stuff whole.
     
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    I think half of the reasoning behind using your knife is it is an easy way to adhere to the idea of using as few items as possible to do as much as possible. I always think that is at the core of Bushcraft thinking.
     
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    You can also just whittle the wet bit off the outside to get to the dry inside of a thinner stick.
     

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