Have women evolved so much?

[pango]

However - I am the boss in my house and SWMBO lets me say so in public (but I know my place realy)!

Ha, ha, John, I worked in India with a lad from Aberfeldy who used to boast that his wife wouldn't let him eat in front of the bairns.
I remember him saying that his wife realised he was just bright enough to believe he was master of the house!

I was at university with a rather hostile, confrontational woman who called herself a "feminist". I came eventually to the conclusion that she needed someone to blame for her misfortunes and had no concept of what a reciprocal relationship was. During a discussion, she voiced the view that working class women were no more than unpaid skivvies!

I told her that my mother had married when she was 20, raised 4 bairns, got up a 5 am every working day to see dad and kids to work, was a staunch Trades Unionist and social and political activist, and it may well have been a very different future for the entire family had she not been there.

I offered to introduce the said "feminist" to my mum but she declined, which was just as well, 'cos my Auld Mither would have ruined her day!

 

[relfy]

I have just got home from work (Mencap support worker) and the little wife has fetched me a cool glass of Elderflower cordial then got straight into cooking my dinner while I deal with my mail (and visit here)......
God love her - she is the best thing in my life and I would be lost without her!
Not only does she cook, clean, garden and do all my typing but she is a delight to the eye as well!
She also has a job that pays more than any of mine (part time now as she is semi-retired) but she keeps the local church and the local am-dram on the rails, loooks after her mother (who lives near-by but should realy be in a care home) and is the most generous person I know.
But - if she ever felt I - or anyone else - was taking advantage and not treating her as a fully independant thinking individual with her own mind....stand by for fireworks!
I fell on my feet when I found this one...and no she does not have an unattached sister!

WELL!!! I don't know whether to be insulted or flattered by your proposal of marriage at the moot now, John!

I bought the 1972 edition of the AA book of the car when I got my morris 1000 (so I could work out which way to push the indicator lever when turning left or right) - and that is very disparaging about women motorists because they can be so dappy when menstruating. (Yes it doesn't mince its words). But the thing is... while I'd like to, I cannot honestly argue with it!

Handsome chauffeurs should be leaping from all sides to drive me around every 4 weeks, for the safety of the public I blame those rotten kill-joy feminists for the fact that they aren't.

 

[British Red]

Was SWMBO looking while you typed this?

Nope,

Having been in a bad marriage with one of the people who thinks being snide is funny, I know just how lucky I am to be in a good one.

BB is kind, supportive, hard working and absolutely the sort of person who gets that "partners" are there for each other - not into cheap point scoring. I know just how lucky I am to have one from the old school.

When my grandmother died, after more than sixty years of marriage, my grandfather looked at me and said "I never looked at another woman boy, you don't when you have the right one".

He was spot on - you really do know. I can't imagine wanting to be rude or hurtful towards my wife - why would I chance hurting someone I love and who loves me back?

 

[Man of Tanith]

Red
i completely agree with both you and your grandfather
Sam

 

[Retired Member southey]

I find it extremely hard to sleep while my buddys away,and vice versa when i'm away. with regards as to how we are with each other , it has been a steep learning curve for me, I didn't have a clue how to deal with a woman who is so driven in what ever she does, but after a year or so everything just clicked, but it is hard some times, as i have had to pretty much put my life on hold so Wifey can persue her goals, but i know that once achieved it will be the other way round for a while. I wonder if this would have happend back in the days of corsets and heaving things!! i do think there is knowledge gap in some walks of life with regards to how a relationship should build, as it's not a jump straight in and get going thing. imo.

 

[John Fenna]

WELL!!! I don't know whether to be insulted or flattered by your proposal of marriage at the moot now, John!

It was the Fool talking! Goozgog that is......

 

[wanderingblade]

The flip side of this whole discussion is 'what is happening to the evolution of man'?

We spend our time outdoors, using primitive technologies and tools, forgage for food and gather tribe like around a camp fire.

Are we evidence of evolution in reverse?

 

[Big Geordie]

Just took Swmbo some strawberries & a cup of tea in bed. Yesterday she went to Aberdeen at 6.oo am for work. Last week I caught her darning some socks. I asked her why. She said she always had and thats what sustainability really means. I'm a bit in awe of her sometimes.
Congratulation BR.
G

 

[pango]

A love of tradition has never weakened a nation, indeed it has strengthened nations in their hour of peril. - Winston Churchill

Hey Wanderingblade, did he say that when he was running for his life through Dundee in 1908 after his "The unnatural and increasingly rapid growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes..." speech, as The Mill Lassies, stark raving mad at the fact they didn't have a right to vote, chased him all the way to the railway station?

You won't find that little snippet in the history of the Women's Sufferance Movement!

 

[Toddy]

Yeah, try telling them that since tradition rules they were doomed to be paid half the wages of a man doing the same work. That since they were female, and neither landed nor monied, they had no right to vote; after all political argument and rational reasoning was clearly above their abilities
Where's Mary Slessor when we need her ?

This thread has become three discussions. Interesting how to defend an entrenched but unrealistic view of the world that would effectively leave women yet again disenfranchised (all information and views of the wider world should only be see through the *male* eyes ) the conversation suddenly turned both sappy and snippy.

We're all grown up gentlemen We too care about our partners, we too like our homes comfortable, we too make the effort to attend to both partner and hearth, but we are no doormats, and in claiming this we are not either harridans or selfish.

On that note, himself is just in from a walk down the woods to the river, sodden wet since it's pouring here. He's off for a shower and I'm going to put his wet clothes in the wash and fetch him dry stuff and put the kettle on. He's making lunch though


Toddy

 

[Steve Williams]

My wife is the most amazing woman I've ever met or heard of: she's beautiful, intelligent, loving, and creative; she's very, very houseproud and keeps on top of all the what she refers to as 'womens' jobs in the house (which is pretty much all of the day to day stuff), and she's more than capable of 'broadsiding' Nigella Lawson in the kitchen. She's tolerant of me and my bushcrafting (let's be honest, not everyone understands the need to spend sixty quid on an axe), she enjoys the outdoors, she takes care of both me and our daughter, she works, and she's expecting our second child. Compared to her, I often feel quite inadequate. So, have women evolved? Absolutely! I very much doubt that your average Edwardian woman could hold a candle to my Hollie.

 

[Wayland]

Welcome to the forum Steve, sounds like you married my partners long lost twin, 'cept we haven't got the kids.

 

[Melonfish]

My wife is very much the modern woman, she's about to start her third year of uni doing Diagnostic radiography and she is most definitely smarter then i, the year before her uni course started she did a year long access course that was in effect 3 A levels rolled into 12 months. she passed with very high marks and got in the local papers, since then she's been in the paper once more all about her course and how she handles that and being a mother of 2 (and looking after me)
she's give me 2 wonderful children and makes me smile every day, she can't cook to save her life but i care not one bit
I'm a firm believer in that the sexes are equal and my wife is living proof.

 

[British Red]

Interesting how to defend an entrenched but unrealistic view of the world that would effectively leave women yet again disenfranchised (all information and views of the wider world should only be see through the *male* eyes ) the conversation suddenly turned both sappy and snippy.

Interesting - I didn't see anyone trying to defend an "entrenched but unrealistic view of the world"...in fact I don't think I have ever met anyone in the last decade who publicly or privately thought that gender is a factor in salary (or the right to vote). I see a few people talking about manners, behaviour and courtesy though.

Where is the defense (or even mention) of, for example, unequal pay or the right to vote?

 

[locum76]

My wife could kick all your wives asses.

 

[Retired Member southey]

Yeah what ever, mine an arrest and restraint, assistant sere, knitting instructor, and can destroy a clutch in ten seconds, she will wipe the floor with yours.

 

[British Red]

Having sponsored her - I fear southey's missus

...not that I wouldn't say "get a brew on lass"

My missus doesn't kick bottom - she never gets that close - she can hold a minute of angle at a third of a mile!

 

[locum76]

My missus doesn't kick bottom - she never gets that close - she can hold a minute of angle at a third of a mile!

I'll remember to keep my shield up.

 

[Tengu]

A person once asked me what my Father had done for me.

I told them that he worked all hours and overtime, often untill midnight, then cycled home, just to keep a roof over me and my mothers heads.

One of my fave reading areas is the Victorian women Travellers, some of whom were delicate, but could out tough most of us.

 

[Toddy]

Interesting - I didn't see anyone trying to defend an "entrenched but unrealistic view of the world"...in fact I don't think I have ever met anyone in the last decade who publicly or privately thought that gender is a factor in salary (or the right to vote). I see a few people talking about manners, behaviour and courtesy though.

Where is the defense (or even mention) of, for example, unequal pay or the right to vote?

More interesting that you chose those parts of the posts to argue

Gentlemen, some of you are describing, and eulogising, your wives in the terms of the 1950's.
Might I suggest that you ask your wives how they would prefer to be described ?
From where I stand you sound like the kind of men who would buy her a food processor or new washing machine for her birthday

Tengu, Victorian women travellers were the educated few who could afford to wander off and be eccentric. Most women were too damned tired just trying to survive. Loved the innovations they created in their costumes though Bloomers and baggy trousers, but they still kept those blasted corsets.

Interesting to see the world through their journals though

cheers,
Toddy