Knife Law (Rant)

[Pandabean]

First off apologies for the rant but I need to vent my feelings on it at t he moment.

I heard the other day about the government again trying to get "tougher" on knife crimes by giving out sentences to anyone caught carrying one. I know this debate and show has been going on for quite some time. Also to add to this I read a readers comment in yesterday's local paper saying that anyone carrying an offensive weapon should be locked up.... I guess we need to turn the island into one big prison as I am sure everyone has an offensive weapon somewhere. I have a pen sitting here which could kill, so technically an offensive weapon. What about car drivers, they are in control of an offensive weapon should they choose to use it in that way....the same goes for the person using the knife.
Its not the weapon thats the problem its the people behind it and using it that are the problem.

If you left a person tied up in a room with no one else there and a table across the room containing dangerous weapons, then that person is going to live arent they (not taking into consideration if he is left there for good etc ). Those weapons don't come alive and kill! (well if they do I want to know about it )

So surely the innocent victim in this is the knife?

But typical of the government to punish the majority becuase of the minority.

Meh rant over....long day at work.

So anyway where do we stand these days with going out to the woods with our knives?

 

[MrEd]

So anyway where do we stand these days with going out to the woods with our knives?

anything bigger than a non-locking sub 3 inch folder is illegal in public areas

 

[Pandabean]

Ok thats the swords hidden then. But will this change with the attempt to get the new laws through?

anything bigger than a non-locking sub 3 inch folder is illegal in public areas

 

[MrEd]

Ok thats the swords hidden then. But will this change with the attempt to get the new laws through?

dunno, might have to wait and see, i hope not, although i subscribe to the idea of not drawing attention to myself in the first place ergo avoiding getting searched etc.

dont take your bushies into sainsburys lol

 

[Rob]

anything bigger than a non-locking sub 3 inch folder is illegal in public areas

Huge subject - and covered a lot here and on British Blades.

The key is having good reason to have it with you, but that is down to the person that stops you and asks you why.

 

[MrEd]

Huge subject - and covered a lot here and on British Blades.

The key is having good reason to have it with you, but that is down to the person that stops you and asks you why.

yeah i know thats why i tried to keep it short and sweet in a nutshell

 

[Rob]

lol - I was exercising restraint as well

 

[andybysea]

I would'nt worry about going into the woods with a knife whilst out camping,even less so if your on land you have permission to out on, the chances of the Police coming out to a woods etc where your set up and asking to search you for weapons is very remote and you also have a reason for carrying one,given the nature of ''bushcraft etc, and even if you do the prisons are so overcrowded and cost so much they aint sending anyone anyway.

 

[MrEd]

lol - I was exercising restraint as well

its a HUGE subject okenest:

 

[Pandabean]

Sorry guys but I had to vent my frustration somewhere where else can we openly talk about knives.

I have read up on some of the changes and laws but it just seems to be in the media every second day recently.

 

[durulz]

Oh God, here we go again. Every 3 months or so...

 

[locum76]

meh, rules and laws are basically just guidelines anyway.

 

[Pandabean]

Oh God, here we go again. Every 3 months or so...

meh I will go crawl into me cave again then

 

[livefast999]

Our knife laws are ridiculous. I carry my leatherman on my belt everyday, and comes in handy many times throughout the day.

When I have seen a policeman I always them if they are 'nicking people' for carrying a leatherman tool which has a locking blade ?, and so far the answer has been 'no, we carry them ourselves'.

But it boils down to having a good reason for carrying a knife, leatherman etc.

I think if your going down the woods, perhaps to do some wood carving or similar, then surely you have a good reason to be carrying a knife, dont quote me on that.

I'm starting to think that moving abroad is the only option, say canada, then I could go down the woods with knives, machetes, rifles, pistols and enjoy some freedom ! I havent excercised any restraint.... sorry

 

[gowersponger]

in my opinion ,i cant see any copper walking into the woods and arresting me for haveing a knife ,inless i was doing something stupid with it.
i think knife law should tighten up ive spent a bit of time in hmp elmley and rochester, and they are full up with mostly muslim gangs,and whites, that rate life diffent to most of us ,sick little prats that havent got a brain are dangerous,when you read tighten up on knife crime it doesent mean arrest that man in army clothes thats down in the woods makeing feathersticks.
it means get these weak little prats of the streets who cant fight with there fistsrant overlol

 

[Pandabean]

in my opinion ,i cant see any copper walking into the woods and arresting me for haveing a knife ,inless i was doing something stupid with it.
i think knife law should tighten up ive spent a bit of time in hmp elmley and rochester, and they are full up with mostly muslim gangs,and whites, that rate life diffent to most of us ,sick little prats that havent got a brain are dangerous,when you read tighten up on knife crime it doesent mean arrest that man in army clothes thats down in the woods makeing feathersticks.
it means get these weak little prats of the streets who cant fight with there fistsrant overlol

From what i read in the paper it was "lock up ANYONE who carries an offensive weapon". They didnt say only if they intend harm or to use it in certain ways. But then thats the attitude of some people.

 

[MrEd]

From what i read in the paper it was "lock up ANYONE who carries an offensive weapon". They didnt say only if they intend harm or to use it in certain ways. But then thats the attitude of some people.

newspaper tend to be rather sensationalist, was it the daily fail you were reading?

take whatbthe press report with a little pinch of salt until you have confirmed from more than one source

 

[DavidJT]

So how about taking my Bushies on the train to the Moot? Obviously they will be buried at the bottom of my Bergen.

 

[Hangman]

This Facebook group is looking for members: http://www.facebook.com/?sk=messages&tid=1355931933898#!/group.php?gid=345136903943

And here is my post which sums up my views on the subject:

"Just prior to the consultation to the VCR Act the Metropolitan Police Force had just finished a study into knife crime in London with additional information from other forces around the UK.

Amongst the findings was the little titbit that 85% of all knife crime involved knives that had been stolen from high street shops or were stolen from home (It doesn't say but I'm assuming that it means from parents), another 5-10% were knives bought from high street shops.

The other 10-15% were the so called 'Rambo' or 'Commando' / military knives and 'manufactured' knives (I'm assuming home-made knives, shanks etc).

Yet the report was only released to the public for a few months late last year. The worrying thing is that after the press release I'm still trying to obtain a full copy of this report and its proving damm hard to find - a case of burying bad or embarrassing news?

Why?

Is it because it would have put a large dent in the VCR Act? Is it because it might offend business?

Who knows, but one thing it has done is postponed action that could have really made a big difference to the figures quoted above.

If the study is correct then normal ‘everyday’ household knives are a real problem. Obviously they cannot be banned, BUT, the way they are sold could very well be changed, and quite easily.

Most high street shops and supermarkets as part of their stock security have several levels from tagging items, up to display cases and ‘product boxes’ for high value items such as mobile phones, computers etc. Why not make any shop that sells knives – especially kitchen knives hold them in a display case with a tag that they have to take to the checkout / customer services where age can be verified and of course the items are away from anyone who wishes to steal them?

I’m sure there would be the cry from retailers that it would be expensive and unworkable, well the precedent has already been set with high value items and of course with solvents – in the late 80’s and early 90’s we had a big problem with underage solvent abuse, the most dangerous solvents were required, by law to be sold in smaller quantities and in the manner I have already described above.

After all we have already imposed huge, costly and restrictive duties on legitimate knife users and replica knife users such as bushcrafters, craftsman, collectors, reenactors and the stage and film industry.

So why not address the real problem rather than the apparent problem?

Edited to add:

Where I live, there was a knife amensty - the local paper had a picture of a sword that they described as a 'wicked and dangerous martial arts sword' - it was a replica Klingon Batleth. Having sourced these for stage use I am familier with it and can confirm that it is completely blunt and would be of more use as a bludgeon than a weapon. I was hoping to find the article but came across this instead:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-387680/Lethal-Star-Trek-blade-seized-knives-amnesty.html "

 

[Pandabean]

newspaper tend to be rather sensationalist, was it the daily fail you were reading?

take whatbthe press report with a little pinch of salt until you have confirmed from more than one source

It was the local paper for Aberdeen and theres a section where readers write in to comment on stories. I dont read papers like the fail, just the Beeb news which can be just as bad. Although for reading the fail Richard Hammond suggested reading the stories back to front which makes more sense.