Summary Of Responses On Adding Further Weapons To The Offensive Weapons Order

[BorderReiver]

If anyone can be bothered,find out how many people have been killed with a golf club in the last four years.

The sword stats are 100 incidents in the last four years.Doesn't seem a lot to me.

 

[mr dazzler]

How many people have been killed by car's just TODAY?

I can see the image's, "the samurai amnesty", police officer's (if they arent on strike that day) with gauntlet's and bin's, handing over cheap import samurai swords to workmen to place into furnace's (subject to a thorough rik assesment of course), jackie smith (if she's still home secretary that day) getting photo opportunities and making grave anouncemet's to show how this govt is tough on crime and the cuases of crime Its getting beyond a joke. They could start by having some discipline in school's and teaching kid's the difference between right and wrong

 

[Cairodel]

so just because we have an interest in bushcraft thats all we can discuss on the forum,come on, lets not go down the say what we want to hear route

I'm on Bernie's side here.
Maybe its time BCUK started making their (collective) voices heard where it matters.....

 

[Bernie Garland]

How many people have been killed by car's just TODAY?

I can see the image's, "the samurai amnesty", police officer's (if they arent on strike that day) with gauntlet's and bin's, handing over cheap import samurai swords to workmen to place into furnace's (subject to a thorough rik assesment of course), jackie smith (if she's still home secretary that day) getting photo opportunities and making grave anouncemet's to show how this govt is tough on crime and the cuases of crime Its getting beyond a joke. They could start by having some discipline in school's and teaching kid's the difference between right and wrong

i second your thoughts but dare,nt say what i think, as also banned from certain forums,and feel its a poor do when you can't tell the truth,is big brother modding forums now?

 

[British Red]

You are all aware I'm sure that the same consultation document includes propsals covering "hunting knives" and "machetes"?

They came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -: because I was not a Jew

Red

 

[Greg]

which you can buy from asda as cheap as chips, and go any where you wish with them including town centres as long as there in a bag with your receipt,so how easy is it to commit a knife crime in a city centre

Exactly my point!!

 

[mr dazzler]

You are all aware I'm sure that the same consultation document includes propsals covering "hunting knives" and "machetes"?

They came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -: because I was not a Jew

Red

I sometimes think that the real worry (of the govt people and other professonal bearacrat's) and part of there motivation is that guns/swords/axes etc in the wrong hand's could get used against themselves, especially after the Albert Dryden case in 1991, they didnt want a repeat of a chief planning officer, or other council jobsworth getting attacked especially when they are aware that there big govermentstatist policies will infuriate and annoy people (eg right to enter your property to do poll tax valuation's. The dunblane incident (what crass hypocrisy, to use such a sad and tragic event to generate political capital and impetus) gave them there opportunity 5 years later. I dislike and resent the (generally BBC middle class liberal) inuendo (which is a form of stereotyping and stigmatising), or sudgestion that I am guilty till proven innocent if I own a sword/gun/axe/knife because I'm a potential embryo criminal and deserve to have the state do me a favour and proscribe them before I fall into crinimal act's. State control rplacing personal responsibilty

 

[British Red]

Be careful - they might be "materials that could be useful to terrorists". You are guilty of thought crime - please report for re-education

Red

 

[weaver]

Gee, Dazzler you sound almost American. Best be careful over there.

 

[Cairodel]

Personally it wouldnt concern me if they did get made up to "offensive weapon" because they are. And what use is a samurai sword exept to do hari kiri or fight with?

Perhaps "Collectors"???

My Coffee table....
There again, your opinion is exactly that... YOURS.....!!!:11doh:

 

[mr dazzler]

Personally I like to use my tools, IMHO tools were made to be used, not have them like a personal mini gloating museum.....but thats just me

Would you have them on show like that in England Is knife crime an issue in Egypt by the way?

 

[Cairodel]

To the first statement... ALL the "tools" you see were made to be used...
To the 2nd, although I am a Brit, I don't live in England (as you know), but if I did,
I would like to have my collection with me.... preferably displayed as you have seen...
The "tools" as you describe, are NOT displayed on my coffee table, but worn on my
belt...

 

[mr dazzler]

ALL the "tools" you see were made to be used

Used for what? I can only see 2 samuria sword's among them any way. I suppose you could use a sword to slice bread, I think Jack hargreaves used one to slice onion's on out of town. But having said that we're stil back with the reality that weapon's are what people take up and use as such, eg brick's, bottle's, tyre lever, snooker cue, lamp stand etc etc human's are creative and resourceful at devising weapon's on the spur of the moment. BUT a brick is for building wall's, a botle for holding liquid's, tyre lever for chnging a tyre, snooker cue to play snokker, a lamp to give light. A sword however was and is a "tool" for attacking an other person (offensive weapon) with as much efficiency as posible? And trying to pass them off as collector's item's doesnt alter that fact.

 

[Bernie Garland]

unfortunately for us genuine knife owners and users,we have no way of voicing are opinion we have no organisation to put are case to the goverment,there not interested in the millions of legitimate users,they don't make headlines,but banning this or banning doe's, they do it not for are safety, but to spin things to win them votes, and prove to joe public that this party is stamping out knife crime.and most of joe public believe them,so we might just as well get used to the fact that in the coming years we''ll all be back to eating our food with our fingers,as whats after swords?

 

[Mirius]

Unfortunately in my experience of this, Bernie is right. The government is not interested in the truth. There will always be two opinions in any discussion, and the government has a proven track record of ignoring any inconvenient truths in this sort of thing. Even having an organisation is not enough - dare I say look at fox hunting. So long as you can be painted in the general publics eyes as wierdos who like to use hunting knives to kill animals (and what else would a knife be used for after all?) then you won't get the public sympathy and without that you aren't going to change the Governments minds - they are only interested in making themselves look popular and they really couldn't care less how it might impact on your life.

 

[FGYT]

Sok these are harmless kitchen knives and im not even a chef though i do have Big hands both blades are 30cm (12" for the old Duffers )


BTW i think the coffee table is already illegal in UK due to the Butterfly / Balisongs

and for Hari Kiri you use the tanto Dagger a full size sword is far to long

and didnt the Kray Twins use short Cutlasses as shown in the film maybe its a plot by the Gov to make teh gentleman criminal return to traditional tools not use these fancy knives from the east

Duncan

 

[andy_e]

I need some pointers on how to make flint tools, since if we're not vocal that's all we'll be left with, and even then ....

 

[mr dazzler]

Maybe the people who dictate social policy in this country think that if we all jumped off of tall buildings often enough it would alter the law of gravity .
They overlook the reality of human nature, which they mistakeny assumed could be altered by sociol science/humanist based legislation, rather than by knowing the difference between right and wrong. They outlawed gun's (although the police still use them ) has it stopped or reduced gun crime? Did there new law stop people wanting to use gun's?
Any way the govt couldnt care less if a few folk die, they are FAR more concerned wether they stay in power and get the perks and privelidge's of high office. They simply dont listen to the public opinion on many thorny issues, I wont mention specific's. They decided already what to do just gotta find ways and means to spin and con the voter into supporting it all. They dont like having to have elections, and often show contempt for the "wrong result's" eg when the people in the north east emphatically rejected a N E assembly, and they said we'll go ahead any way Look at the way they ignored public support for hunting, or the fuel protest's (downing street petition) Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you start to mess with the basic's of democracy ( free speech, free press, free election's etc) your rapidly on your way to a totalitarian state, wether left or right wing, they all **** in the same pot (as my grandfather used to say)

 

[ArkAngel]

If i may interject my 2p's worth on this.

I was one of the people asked to comment on this from my 30 years of martial arts experience (15+ of that with swords).

My opinion to the Home Office was in favour of this addition of cheap nasty swords with allowence for practitioners and collectors of genuine swords allowed to continue. Whether they will introduce a license system is unknown.

Yes, a very few actual crimes are commited with these swords and a huge amount with kitchen knives, pocket kinves, stanley knives, chisels, screwdrivers and craft kinves. The legislation of these items is impossible, it just can't be done.

It was my opinion that these swords are just not required, any major training is done with wooden swords and demonstrations with "better" quality swords (some £300+ in most cases) these cheap imports wouldn't last in a demonstration. I would have the blade snapped form the handle in under 5 minutes just from the forces exerted without even striking anything.

It may be a kneejerk reaction to a few high profile cases where people have been injured/killed by these swords, and it will have very little impact on actual crime figures. But in my opinion it removes one more avenue for the criminal concerned to cause injury and misery .

 

[EdS]

I sometimes think that the real worry (of the govt people and other professonal bearacrat's) and part of there motivation is that guns/swords/axes etc in the wrong hand's could get used against themselves, especially after the Albert Dryden case in 1991, they didnt want a repeat of a chief planning officer, or other council jobsworth getting attacked especially when they are aware that there big govermentstatist policies will infuriate and annoy people (eg right to enter your property to do poll tax valuation's. The dunblane incident (what crass hypocrisy, to use such a sad and tragic event to generate political capital and impetus) gave them there opportunity 5 years later. I dislike and resent the (generally BBC middle class liberal) inuendo (which is a form of stereotyping and stigmatising), or sudgestion that I am guilty till proven innocent if I own a sword/gun/axe/knife because I'm a potential embryo criminal and deserve to have the state do me a favour and proscribe them before I fall into crinimal act's. State control rplacing personal responsibilty

OT Careful what you say some of us are council jobsworths, as you call them. I work in Environmental Health (not a foodie) and the number of times I heard it not my problem/its private land/it not affecting me so I'm not responcible are numerous. you might not like their rules, think that iti is unfair to an indivdual - but go look them up see why they where drafted and generally this for the betterment of the majority.