Why a folding knife

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Not intended to be a fight between folders and more solid ones.

I started wondering why some one made a folding knife? Some fast googling and apparently the oldest found is about 2500 years old. So has anyone come across why. The early ones were clearly weaker than any fixed blade tanged knife. I don't think laws said anything about carrying 2000 years ago. The one advantage a folder has is shorter length but if that is not a factor then why? Was it just a cool gadget?

Hmmm ... the things that comes into one's mind on a Sunday morning.
Ya know, all my early life bushcrafting of which included extended stays out in the sticks bivouacing in forest made shelters, the knife I used for it all was a Victorinox Handyman ( early model without pliers), to say I never used a fixed blade knife.

That Viccy folder was always with me, not usually in a pocket, but out of the way in a close fitting belt pouch. Now with my later life return to bushcraft I find myself padding around thinking of fixed blade knives I never had need of , to think why bother given all the headless chicken stuff surrounding the things, when I can just use what I have used before, as again am not without a daily carry Viccy Folder this time, the more pocketable Huntsman, though me thinks I need to be especially carefulwith this one given the scales are dark green.
 
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So nobody has come up with a reason as to why folders originated. Don't we have any historians here?

After reading through I have come to a preliminary conclusion that status and novelty might have been the reason. Never underestimate people's vanity. :)
Here's a curve ball for you to consider. Perhaps pocket knives didn't exist so far back... because clothes.... wait for it..... didn't have pockets. Can't have a pocket knife, without a pocket to put it in now can we?

So why were folding knives invented... Because pockets were.
Prior to that... your option was attached the belt holding your kegs up... or in a separate pouch, attached to the belt holding ya kegs up.

Makes sense to me. Until the Aircraft was invented... we didn't have Anti Aircraft guns, just in case... So why would we have had pocket knives, just in case someone invented the pocket?

Pack knives... well, different subject entirely.

Pockets by Mark Hill, on Flickr
 
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Perhaps pocket knives didn't exist so far back... because clothes.... wait for it..... didn't have pockets. Can't have a pocket knife, without a pocket to put it in now can we?

So why were folding knives invented... Because pockets were.
And then we have the spanish navaja. Existed from late 1600´s. Not exactly a pocketknife allthough folding.
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Well, I think we've actually answered the question - at least to my satisfaction; I'll give it no more thought
That is a slightly solipsistic statement, now how about telling us, all others what that conclusion is!

I am not agreeing with the claim that a folder is easier to carry in a non existent pocket. In an existing pocket certainly and I have some reason to believe that that is nowadays a valid argument, especially if laws do not allow carrying a proper fixed belt knife. I also think that for a SAK we have a different set of arguments.

I agree the big Navajas are not easily explainable by the pocket argument.
 
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The version before I posted had “…some folk, like the OP, are…” but I thought it would be more fun to watch than raise hackles so early.
Regardless of the answers put forward, some folk are unlikely to agree that those answers constitute sufficiently valid reasons, and will just keep going with “yes but why?”

Post#14… :rolleyes3:
Definitely, there are some people that accept nothing. But it still makes me wonder what was the original reason to make a knife that much more complicated, my experience is that things like that usually are not made without some reason. As far as I can think a (primitive) folder has two differing properties: it is shorter and it has integral protection for the edge, can't think of much else. I have a feeling those were just not enough but I guess we'll never really know.

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That is a slightly solipsistic statement, now how about telling us, all others what that conclusion is!

I am not agreeing with the claim that a folder is easier to carry in a non existent pocket. …
I rest my case.:lmao::lmao::lmao:
 
And then we have the spanish navaja. Existed from late 1600´s. Not exactly a pocketknife allthough folding.
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Have you seen 17th century Spanish clothing? That probably was a pocket knife, or a cape knife, as they liked to wear large volumous capes. lol.
 
Ya know, all my early life bushcrafting of which included extended stays out in the sticks bivouacing in forest made shelters, the knife I used for it all was a Victorinox Handyman ( early model without pliers), to say I never used a fixed blade knife.

That Viccy folder was always with me, not usually in a pocket, but out of the way in a close fitting belt pouch. Now with my later life return to bushcraft I find myself padding around thinking of fixed blade knives I never had need of , to think why bother given all the headless chicken stuff surrounding the things, when I can just use what I have used before, as again am not without a daily carry Viccy Folder this time, the more pocketable Huntsman, though me thinks I need to be especially carefulwith this one given the scales are dark green.
There is a video on Youtube of Mors discussing knives, and he used folders for years. If anything, the reason for him changing knives seems to relate more to price than anything else.
Check out Felix Immler's videos he can do anything with a sak.
 
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I did some light research:
First an AI search:

why were folding knives originally made​

Folding knives were originally made as compact, portable utility tools so people could safely carry a blade for everyday tasks like eating, cutting materials, and grooming, without the danger and inconvenience of an exposed fixed blade.

Early purposes​

  • The earliest known folding knives from the Iron Age (around 600–500 BCE in Central Europe) were simple friction folders likely used by workers such as salt miners for general cutting tasks.
  • In ancient Rome, folding knives served for eating, grooming, and other daily chores, offering a convenient personal tool that could be carried more discreetly than a fixed knife.

Practical reasons for the design​

  • Folding the blade into a handle made the knife safer to carry on the body or in a bag, reducing accidental cuts and damage to clothing.
  • The compact form meant people—especially soldiers, craftsmen, farmers, and travelers—could always have a versatile cutting tool at hand for work, food preparation, small repairs, and sometimes as a last‑ditch weapon when larger arms were restricted or impractical.


I think I found the source of most claims. AI has not written any of the explanations they are quotes from knife manufacturers sites.

Lets see:
The first paragraph claims without a hint of proof that in use folders are safer. I would say that that is pure PS, especially as early folders seem to have been friction folders.

The early find in Hallsattt was in a cemetery of early Celtic culture near salt mines, apparently not found by archaeologists but a foreman who documented his find fairly well. Some comments seem to suggest the context was not a worker burial but a merchant which would make it not so much an everyday object.

There are numerous references to to Roman folders but Romans also knew the small utility knife. As most research articles are behind a pay wall I have no idea about their comments. But almost all sources claim that Romans did not have pockets and how they carried small everyday objects is apparently not well known. So "carried discretely" but where and how, especially as carrying a small fixed blade knife is hardly any less discrete.

Carrying a folder is not any safer than a fixed blade in properly made sheath. "reducing accidental cuts and damage to clothing" this pure PS again, the commenter has apparently never owned or used a good small fixed blade knife. This especially does not hold to early friction folders that could open by themselves.

The last point brings up a point that comes up later often, all fixed blades are seen as weapons and folders are not, several references to that. How can one always have a folder at hand and not a small fixed blade knife, I don't buy that one.

Also what came up was that folders seem to be a southern item, though possibly invented by Celts, the idea was spread around by Celts and Romans. Germanic tribes used a small utility knife much more, folders surely were seen by them.

This all does still not explain why a folding knife was originally invented, the pocket argument is out, pouches were in use but for carrying one on a belt is quite handy, one could as easily hang a small sheath knife from it. So the idea that the shorter length was the reason actually sounds improbable.

The one reason I found interesting was cleaning, a folder is definitely easier to clean than the sheath of a fixed blade. So maybe the use for eating was the reason.

I still hold the original question as unanswered.
 
You have to watch AI it makes stuff up.
It seems a bit weird that the Celts were fans and not Germanic tribes when the Vikings loved them.
The salt mines thing adds another messy, bad place for leather and an easier-to-clean answer.
 
Following this thread with interest.

I've carried a knife all my life since I was a little boy, including to school where a small folder was part of every boy's pocket contents. A sheath knife was part of my Scout uniform which I wore to school as a member of the school troop. I also carried it when camping.

However, I accept that times have changed but my EDC includes a SAK. It sees some use every day. Fixed blade use is the norm in the kitchen. Ease of cleaning cleaning kitchen knives illustrates to me the main drawback of folding knives. None of us surely would resheath a dirty blade, but I find when using my folding pocket knife as an eating utensil, which I do frequently when away from home, results in bits of food finding its way into the inside of the handle despite careful use.

Although my preference for EDC would always be for a small fixed blade, I have to accept that my SAK is appropriate to the life I actually lead if not for the fantasy life I wish I led!
 
None of us surely would resheath a dirty blade, but I find when using my folding pocket knife as an eating utensil, which I do frequently when away from home, results in bits of food finding its way into the inside of the handle despite careful use.
I never use a folding knife with food for exactly that reason.
 
Vikings were a much later phenomenon, I thought that all of Misty Isles would know that having been the target of one of the first viking raids. Apparently they used still the small utility knife even though they had a few types of folders. Maybe the usage was something like today, based on various things.
 

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