What did the Pandemic do for you ?
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Beyond all the death, what did the pandemic do for you?
Have you noticed anything about yourselves be it your health physical and/or mental that is different to how it was or maybe it's changed you in ways perhaps in positive ways?
What did the pandemic experience do for you?
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Though I believed I managed the lockdown and my voluntary post lockdown isolation well through being somewhat of an introvert and there well used to living in isolation, I have come to understand the enforced isolation and the madness that came with it has done a number on my mental health. To find I have emerged into a world I no longer recognise, a hostile threatening world for myself to have resorted or perhaps even not ever having escaped what could be called pandemic thinking expressed through ' dreams of living. '
Have you noticed anything about yourselves be it your health physical and/or mental that is different to how it was or maybe it's changed you in ways perhaps in positive ways?
What did the pandemic experience do for you?
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Though I believed I managed the lockdown and my voluntary post lockdown isolation well through being somewhat of an introvert and there well used to living in isolation, I have come to understand the enforced isolation and the madness that came with it has done a number on my mental health. To find I have emerged into a world I no longer recognise, a hostile threatening world for myself to have resorted or perhaps even not ever having escaped what could be called pandemic thinking expressed through ' dreams of living. '
Yeah. I hear what you are saying.
I think we each had our own different circumstances, struggles, concerns and priorities. Despite any differences, it's good to be able to talk about it and hear what others were going through. Hard times for everyone.
Also, sorry to hear about your younger brother.
Does anyone else remember how the statistics were deliberately manipulated to make it look like more people died from covid than really did? This was done by using the "died WITH covid" number to count the deaths rather than the "died OF covid" number.
- For example one man fell off a tall ladder and immediately died as a direct result of the broken back caused by the fall. Yet because he had taken a positive covid test two weeks earlier it was still counted as a covid death.
- Another example was the person who was hit by a speeding car and died shortly afterwards as a direct result of the multiple injuries sustained in the accident. Yet again this was added to the covid death count because they had taken a positive covid test within the past two weeks.
While these are two of the most extreme and clear cut examples to make my point there were also many thousands of other people who died WITH covid rather than died OF covid but still had their deaths wrongly added to the statistics to make the number appear to be higher than it really was.
At the time if anyone dared to question this dubious method of gathering the data they were immediately shut down and labeled as being a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist or a granny killer or the some such. Maybe now that a bit of time has passed and the overton window has moved people will be willing to honestly consider how using the statistics for "died WITH covid" instead of "died OF covid" was an obvious manipulation to raise the numbers?
- For example one man fell off a tall ladder and immediately died as a direct result of the broken back caused by the fall. Yet because he had taken a positive covid test two weeks earlier it was still counted as a covid death.
- Another example was the person who was hit by a speeding car and died shortly afterwards as a direct result of the multiple injuries sustained in the accident. Yet again this was added to the covid death count because they had taken a positive covid test within the past two weeks.
While these are two of the most extreme and clear cut examples to make my point there were also many thousands of other people who died WITH covid rather than died OF covid but still had their deaths wrongly added to the statistics to make the number appear to be higher than it really was.
At the time if anyone dared to question this dubious method of gathering the data they were immediately shut down and labeled as being a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist or a granny killer or the some such. Maybe now that a bit of time has passed and the overton window has moved people will be willing to honestly consider how using the statistics for "died WITH covid" instead of "died OF covid" was an obvious manipulation to raise the numbers?
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Bored with 5 years of exactly the same argument is one adverse affect I can think of.
Bored with 5 years of exactly the same argument is one adverse affect I can think of.
To be honest bored with 5 years of constant 'should have done this, should have done that, this was wrong, that was wrong'. It's amazing how many people could get an academic qualification in science or even medicine if only they bothered to sit the exam. There's far too much trust in Media Science to be honest.
Plus, am I right in thinking that at that stage there was no vaccinne? The early version moved thru' into the EU, including the UK very fast but also mutated pretty quickly.
They also discovered that an old Denovo portion of DNA made a lot of asians very vulnerable, and whom had a higher mortality rate.
Re BBC overhyping - they did what the politicians told them to do, for fear of losing licence fee etc
Certainly tired of the (continuing) misinformation by well meaning non-experts, and the continuing divide between us that is used to distract whilst the rich and powerful continue to get more rich and powerful at the expense of all of us.
There’s a reason doctors and scientists are educated by experts rather than ‘doing their own research’ - because it actually matters *how* you learn things and have the fundamental knowledge and abilities to understand claims made, analyse data and research results, and have experts around you to verify and critically examine your findings. Social media has unfortunately made people think that they can ‘do their own research’ in a manner which makes them equally as knowledgable as actual experts. All whilst being fed misinformation by bad actors.
There’s also a reason why the news and social media only ever talk about topics which elicit strong emotional responses. Money and power.
We have more in common than that which sets us apart. Remember this first and foremost, and you’ll start to see just how extreme the push is on all fronts to set us against each other.
There’s a reason doctors and scientists are educated by experts rather than ‘doing their own research’ - because it actually matters *how* you learn things and have the fundamental knowledge and abilities to understand claims made, analyse data and research results, and have experts around you to verify and critically examine your findings. Social media has unfortunately made people think that they can ‘do their own research’ in a manner which makes them equally as knowledgable as actual experts. All whilst being fed misinformation by bad actors.
There’s also a reason why the news and social media only ever talk about topics which elicit strong emotional responses. Money and power.
We have more in common than that which sets us apart. Remember this first and foremost, and you’ll start to see just how extreme the push is on all fronts to set us against each other.
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....and our news today is that two wards in Aberdeen's Royal Infirmary are closed because of a Covid outbreak....
news.stv.tv
Two hospital wards forced to close due to coronavirus outbreak
Visiting has been suspended for two wards at Aberdeen Royal Infirmary.
news.stv.tv
It was incredible to see the lengths people would go to to avoid being called a 'conspiracy theorist' and such.
Powerful things, labels. Saw people outright refuse things they knew to be true just for the sake of conformity. Once you start breaking it down, it was basically cult mentality.
'Ordinary Men' and all that.
Also on the flipside - certain groups calling for mandatory ,at force , vaccination of those whom didn't wish to have something inside them unknown.
I'm not taking a position - just lets see the mobs/cult mentality on on both sides.
Mass fear is a powerful thing.
Indeed it is for confected fear to be the motivator of both moral panics and modern politics
Yeah, I think we are in agreement on that?
To be clear, I never took the 'vaccine' and was all too aware how many people would see me refused access to medical care, refused employment and have me forced into compliance because of my choice.
I saw people bullied into having it by family members, I also saw people disown members of their family for not having it. Mass fear is a powerful thing, and it was a hard lesson to see how it took hold of so many people and degraded them.
Both sides of that fence behaved badly in the extremes, of course. But as far as I recall, only one side talked about forced compliance, taking away people's access to medical care, removing their children from the education system and generally stripping away their rights until they bent the knee.
I'm not bitter about it, at all, and I understand that people do crazy things when they are scared. But, at the same time, I can't just forget about it and sweep it under the rug. It should be acknowledged.
Absolutely - I was more picking up on your 'Ordinary Men' comment - which is a great understanding point for how Mobs and Madness can play out. In both sides.
For context - I got sick during Covid - not necessarily proven to be from Covid , but during the period of Covid. I am now on various medications for life and my quality of life has definitely become impacted.
By the time I was diagnosed and started my own private medical treatment ( thank you postal blood testing and private health care clinics ) Covid was still ongoing - By the time the vaccines were released I was considered to be "high risk" along with the elderly as my immune system was/is weakened and took a vaccine because frankly I had had too many health and medical scares in the last 12 months already to play the game of chicken with the Covid vaccine.
Do I think the vaccines all coming out at the same time was somewhat, dubious - Yes.
Do/Did i support the right of people not taking the vaccine at the time - Also Yes.
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It sounds like you had a lot to weigh up and made a considered and sensible decision.
Never lose your well balanced outlook, dude. It's really valuable.
Let me preface this with full transparency: I had the vaccine, am still pro vaccine and still think it was right to try and get as many people vaccinated as possible.
When you use the word ‘side’, you’re absolutely right and it plays exactly into what I accuse the media (including social media) of trying to emphasise.
Your perfectly valid perspective: The government or society as a whole should not be allowed to force you to take a vaccine against your will, and having your family/kids/self ostracised from society and denied medical treatment is unacceptable. You were doing what you believe to be the right thing given your understanding of the world.
The other ‘side’ valid perspective: People who refuse to take a statistically very safe vaccine which significantly lowers the risk of long term negative outcomes, shouldn’t get priority over those who have made the ‘sacrifice’ of getting vaccinated to protect the many. I was doing what I believe to be the right thing given my understanding of the world.
Neither of those are invalid. Both of them contain truths, some of which we probably even agree on, but the manner in which those have been presented causes us to be taking a side opposing the other.
Now, I know you from here to be a decent, thoughtful and intelligent fellow human being. I hope that you also know from our shared interests and other posts on here that I am (hopefully) a decent human being. Yet the various forms of media over the last 5 years tells us that we are supposed to hate each other. You should think I am a government brainwashed authoritarian trying to force you to inject something into your body, and I should think you are a selfish conspiracy theorist who puts his own beliefs above the health of me and my family.
But neither of these are true, are they? So why are we being programmed to believe that this is the case? Who benefits from you and I being set against each other on such a grand scale? Because it is neither you nor I which benefits. In fact, it benefits us on a societal and evolutionary level for us to be allies and work together. Which begs the question: Why is so much money and effort expended in trying to divide us?
Divide and conquer.
For countless centuries kings, governments and other ruling classes have used this method to allow them to manipulate and control the citizens. Keep us arguing amongst ourselves and we will be too fragmented and disorganized to unite against the ruling class who are really the ones who mistreat us from the top down. Throughout all of history it has often been this way and even now we still fall for the same tricks over and over again.
Vaxxed against Unvaxxed.
Brexit against Remain.
Pro-immigration against Anti-immigration.
Labour against Conservatives.
Red against Blue.
Black against White.
The list goes on...
They probably don't even care what we disagree about so long as we just keep arguing with each other instead of uniting against them.
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Fully agree with you on that. I think you're spot on Chris.
Apologies for the reference to 'sides' on my previous post, by the way. It was a bit of a lazy/convenient way of painting the picture on my part. I'm very much against dividing people up into 'us' and 'them' type scenarios. Just talking to people (as you've often pointed out) shows that we are all usually just looking to do the best we can by our families and by each other.
But, yes your right. It's bloody incessant, are you pro-this or anti-that? Abortions, vaccines... do you love Donald Trump or despise him? Israel or Palestine? Brexit? Left-wing or Right-wing? No nuance please, just pick a side.
This is why I always value open debate and become concerned when I see that come under threat. Often, all it takes is a conversation to blow these artificially created divisions to pieces. They don't stand up to scrutiny and crumble as soon as they are questioned.
It doesn't matter to me whether or not you had a vaccine, who you vote for, where you're from, or any of it. I'd sit around the campfire with you whenever.
His music style won't be to many peoples taste but this track has some poignant lyrics in it about those artificially created divisions you mentioned. Particularly in the second half of the song from around two minutes onward.
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No need for the apology, I knew what you were getting at.
It’s a relentless onslaught. How on Earth are we supposed to be fully educated on, or even have a thoughtful opinion on all these things? You and I can’t solve Gaza, Brexit, Gender, Trump, Immigration and so on and so on. But it sure is convenient for some that we fight about it, distracting us from those who pillage the environment, our rights, our freedoms and even our ability to find the truth.
I’m so completely done with it. My stand against it is that I refuse to be set against my fellow human unless they directly show me that they want to hurt me.
Likewise it’d be a pleasure to sit around a campfire with you, who I am supposed to apparently hate for making a personal choice about your own healthcare. The glow of the campfire burns all that nonsense away.
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