Wild camping dartmoor threatened again
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Possibly, on the other hand possibly not. I come from a family heavily involved in organic farming, a sibling is world famous in regenerative agriculture, and I practise self-sufficiency from a C17th house made of oak trees, mud and hazel sticks and off grid apart from a cold tap above a Belfast sink. For 'work' in the last few years I've been involved in a project reducing the UK's dependency on organic non-ruminant feed from imported soya in favour of home grown legumes, which is now taking off.
No stranger to Dartmoor either, I skived off most of a 3-year degree to wild camp, cycle, hike, climb, boulder and kayak on the moor.
My view is that a similar right to roam act as Scotland/Scandinavia needs to be implemented in England, along with education about responsible behaviour/land use/dog handling.
No stranger to Dartmoor either, I skived off most of a 3-year degree to wild camp, cycle, hike, climb, boulder and kayak on the moor.
My view is that a similar right to roam act as Scotland/Scandinavia needs to be implemented in England, along with education about responsible behaviour/land use/dog handling.
You've edited your post to add a curious last comment, I assume you are suggesting people tend to get 'brainwashed' at university and emerge as liberal animal rights/climate activists?
I was rather too busy studying naval architecture to be be brainwashed, or rather as hinted at in my previous post I wasn't doing either, but treating it as a three-year all expenses paid holiday on Dartmoor. My opinions on land ownership, use and access are formed not from the opinions of others, but from my life experiences. Which, incidentally which sound like yours- a lifestyle where it is great to be inside for once, rather than having to make an effort to get out and enjoy the outdoors!
Why thank you, I consider that a compliment, but not as arrogant as the reply I had.
It was still total and absolute rubbish though.
You might need to read the judgement properly and see what the implications would have been if wild camping was excluded from the Dartmoor Commons Act as a form of ‘open air recreation’.
I've seen scramblers on footpaths in I think Kentmere or Longsleddale. However I'm not sure anyone could do anything about it as one was the farmer's son and the others were his mates. They were not working just hooning around and having fun. It was the family farm so I guess the had the right to do it.
Is it still illegal even if your own land or you have permission from the landowner? I guess if there's a TRO on the route it is but not otherwise.
On your own land you can. They would still have to be careful if it was a ROW because if they hit someone they could in theory be liable.
Oooh Arr, I'm zummat of a stranger to rooral loife. Here I am harvesting organic beans undersown with a lovely old variety of longstraw wheat, having stripped and reassembled a large part of the combine to replace a broken drum shaft and rebalance the impeller. Real responsible land use, grown without chemicals or factory manufactured fertilisers to feed hens which live their lives on pasture.
Nigel, it was never a threat to ban wild camping per se, the major landowner the Duchy of Cornwall would never seek to ban wild camping, or change the areas agreed with the DNPA, it is woven into the fabric of Dartmoor, and I am so pleased the ruling went the way it did, but yes, things could have escalated had it gone the other way, I do agree.
Wild camping was available on that piece of land before they came along, so if they don’t like it, they can do one as far as I’m concerned, interfering incomers.
But “Right to Roam” is a very, very different thing. These people are politically driven and eaten with envy and jealousy. No one should have the right to just go or camp where they want, purely ridiculous, and if you have seen what I have seen……..You would agree I’m sure.
And yet it works very well in Scotland and Scandinavia- do you have any direct experience of land access in these countries?
And having described public land use and access rights in Scotland and Scandinavia as 'purely ridiculous' three times now, can you go into any more detail as to what you mean?
The growing number of English residents who want to see a 'Right to Roam' act in England come from all walks of life. Some are members of the Ramblers, some are members of the group 'Right to Roam', some are members of the Open Spaces Society, some are members of none of these. Some are landowners and millionaires, some live in tower blocks. Some are politically active, some are not. Unsurprisingly, those trying hardest to make the change they want have to be politically active, given that change will only happen through the political system.
Stating that everyone who wants a Scottish-style right to roam in England are 'politically driven and eaten with envy and jealousy', and referring to them as 'these people' suggests you are not aware of any of the above.
I fully expect to see a right to roam in England in my lifetime, and I'd rather it was sooner than later! Public attitudes are changing, thankfully, and the value of connection to nature is slowly being recognised...
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