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Leigh from The Bug Out Shop had them on his channel a while back. Presume they were samples but don't know if he got any in to sell.
Hasn't put them on his webstore atleast, so might have to buy in person. I suspect there maybe hassle and legalities involved.
Edit: link was to wrong video.
Hasn't put them on his webstore atleast, so might have to buy in person. I suspect there maybe hassle and legalities involved.
Edit: link was to wrong video.
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As I said, it's discounted to £19 if you order 10 or so. So group buy would work but we couldn't then distribute it without incurring delivery charges or fuel charges
Tsk!!! Passive aggressive much?!
May as well have just send me an email with ' As per my last message ' in the header
Yes - thank you - I was.
Strange. Without the free delivery code the delivery price was £19 or so, then when I added the code it didn't change!
This time I tried it keeps the £19.99 but doesn't add it to the total so the delivery is free - weird
Oh yes Broch.... VERY Strange!!!
( I am joking Broch !! Banter!! )
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Would it be allowed for me to put up the option of a group buy for distribution at the Winter Moot, to save the £35 delivery charge per person? If you’d prefer not, I fully understand.
Withdrawn for reasons of not wanting to make MI5 think I'm planning some kind of bushcraft militia event.
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Must be very specialist delivery beyond the usual stuff that requires an ADR (road Dangerous Goods) courier...... bearing in mind that stuff like isopropyl alcohol and bioethanol also requires ADR courier, (although also may be carried as Limited Quantities) and its nothing like that price.
So yeah, probably coming under one of the explosives category so rather more rules on carriage than the common types of Dangerous Goods...... in which case I'd also be finding out a bit more before buying as the UK govt may be a tad more twitchy about them than USA.
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So yeah, probably coming under one of the explosives category so rather more rules on carriage than the common types of Dangerous Goods...... in which case I'd also be finding out a bit more before buying as the UK govt may be a tad more twitchy about them than USA.
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There is also the Pull Start Fire. Canterbury and a few others have demo'd it over the years. Also never seemed to appear on these shores.
pullstartfire.com
And taken apart.
A little flare like device sandwiched in two halfs of wax/fuel block.
Pull-String Firestarter for Any Weather, Any Wood | PULL START FIRE
No matter how wet or frozen your wood, PULL START FIRE simply and safely starts your fire – every time. Take the hassle out of starting your fire! Buy now!
pullstartfire.com
And taken apart.
A little flare like device sandwiched in two halfs of wax/fuel block.
I think GreyCat's point is quite sensible, regarding a bulk order. So I am withdrawing my offer to do so, sorry.
That said, I have bought a couple for personal use and I can bring them to the Moot for anyone interested to have a look at and see used in person.
I'll probably also make a video review of them at some point, trying them out in various conditions in the name of Science and Survival (and being a big child).
That said, I have bought a couple for personal use and I can bring them to the Moot for anyone interested to have a look at and see used in person.
I'll probably also make a video review of them at some point, trying them out in various conditions in the name of Science and Survival (and being a big child).
Having bad circulation and being stick thin, the cold gets to me very quickly and it's clear these could very likely save life if things go really wrong, there is a genuine place for something like this rather than them just being an impressive toy/gadget/fad.
However, I'm content to wait to find out...
-If they are legal (I'd hope the importers have done their homework)
-If they remain legal once the content creators start to use them and abuse them
-If after a few years there are no stories of them self-detonating in car gloveboxes etc.
Happy to let others road test these and buy a few years down the line!
However, I'm content to wait to find out...
-If they are legal (I'd hope the importers have done their homework)
-If they remain legal once the content creators start to use them and abuse them
-If after a few years there are no stories of them self-detonating in car gloveboxes etc.
Happy to let others road test these and buy a few years down the line!
Is there any reason they wouldn’t be legal? Hand flares and pyrotechnics have long been legal here. Ultimately these are not really any different.
Hopefully not, but our poison/explosives laws have tightened, and have the potential to tighten further, compared to many other countries. Nothing would surprise me really.
I can see where you are concerned, however. The instant knee jerk reaction to something like this being mi-used is to ban it, so if they became popular for miscreants they would get banned. My view is a bit like Hexy, get it while you can and then wait and see.
As Chris says, flares have been around for a while, and this is just another form of flare, so I'm more positive than not.
As Chris says, flares have been around for a while, and this is just another form of flare, so I'm more positive than not.
Distress flares aren’t just legal, they are mandatory on some British shipping.
They are available here.
(I wouldn’t want to start a fire with one and see the woods disappear in red smoke but the principle is the same.)
They are available here.
(I wouldn’t want to start a fire with one and see the woods disappear in red smoke but the principle is the same.)
Sounds like a plan. On balance, while fireworks model rocketry and distress pyros are still sold, I can't imagne these specifically being legislated away. If they let customers pick them up, I'll get a few next time I'm passing their premises.
I'm going to take one or two of these out tonight to see how they do with wet wood in heavy rain. Assuming all goes to plan, I'll film it and share here for anyone interested.
Preliminary results: mixed. I am not sure I'd want to rely on one somewhere wet, if you don't have a supply of dry wood. They are a lot of fun though, who doesn't like pulling a pin and seeing something violently erupt into flame?
I'll hopefully have the video up tomorrow.
I'll hopefully have the video up tomorrow.
Just to start off by saying I will do further testing, so this is all just my opinion based on my usage so far.
I am also reviewing this with the company's own claims in mind, so I have high expectations which I believe are fair and reasonable given the claims made by the company themselves:
Just to pull a few claims from their website for you to keep in mind as I go forward:
- Fire-on-Demand in any condition
- Reliable flame for 120 seconds
- Ultimate companion for every modern adventurer
- Emergency / First Responder / Critical Mission / Preparing for the unexpected
- Designed to replace multiple items and make room for adventure
- Making fire-starting effortless, even in the most challenging conditions
- Unparalleled reliability with an unstoppable flame
- Ignored in any weather condition
- Guarantees fire at your fingertips even in the most extreme conditions
- Designed to light without fail, providing safety and warmth when you need it most
- A breakthrough in outdoor survival technology
I used 3 Ultimate Matches (UM) and used them to conduct tests under three sets of conditions.
1. Dry UM and dry kindling
A control test.
2. Wet UM and wet kindling, both left out in the rain overnight
Simulates equipment that's got wet over a period of a few hours in a wet climate, where a user is in urgent need of a fire.
3. Dry UM and slightly less wet but still damp kindling
Simulates usage of dry UM (perhaps kept in a container) in a wet climate.
If a user is using an emergency survival match it is likely because it is indeed an emergency and a survival situation, so there are some assumptions:
- The user may be potentially tired and/or cold (potentially hypothermic) or debilitated in some way
- There is not an abundance of dry wood, as in temperate or tropical climates
- If the climate is warm and dry you are less likely to actually need a fire for survival
- User may not have a cutting tool or the energy/dexterity to create matchstick sized, dry kindling (see: hypothermic/prehypothermic/tired and cold)
- Not all situations have the benefit of dryer low-hanging pine twigs/abundant birch bark
Test 1 was successful, a violent reaction (slightly surprising that it shot in more than one direction) which easily ignited a stack of dry kindling.
Test 2 was unsuccessful. To its credit, the UM did actually ignite after a night in the rain, however it only burned half of its fuel and did not ignite wet kindling.
Test 3 was unsuccessful. Match burned all the way through but did not ignite the wet kindling. This wet batch of kindling was slightly less wet, as Test 2s 20 seconds or so of flame will have dried it out slightly.
Tests 2 and 3 would've been fairly trival to light with a slower and longer burning firelighter or two, a third of a strip of Hammaro Lighting Paper got the fire going no problem.
Thoughts so far:
- Wood in a survival situation is very likely to be wet or damp, where you're better off with conventional firelighters which burn for longer and with less vigour and which you can carry far more of, with a longer shelf life and with fewer potential failure points (pin breaks, stick doesn't ignite etc)
- Thinking of the risk/rewards, doesn't the UM create more risk in the sense of unintended combustion when carried in kit? You wouldn't want this to go off in your bag. It also increases the opportunity for injury due to the spirted way in which it ignites
- Fire fuel prep is more important than specific devices for getting a fire going. If the wood had been dry, then there would've been no need for an emergency survival match over just using a lighter or matches
- The claims on the website do not match (hah!) my experience
I also note there appear to be some reviews on the website which are displayed as 9 customer reviews (all 5 star!) at the point of purchase:
Usually when a site presents '9 customer reviews' in that manner it implies there's a mechanism with which to review the items, and you'd be able to see a balance of any negative reviews as well as the positives.
I'm not too sure who these people are, but I haven't been presented an opportunity to review my purchase at any point in the sale process, and keep in mind I did buy 5 packets of them.
I am not making any accusations towards the company here, but it does the raise the questions 'Who are these people?', 'How do I leave a review on your site?' and 'Are these the ONLY reviews or just the good ones you've chosen, if they are indeed legitimate reviews?'
Surely a “survival instructor” would be teaching their students how to make use of what might have- ferro rod, batteries, flint and steel, magnifying glass etc. Not something like this that they’re unlikely to have in a” survival scenario “. Also, seems a bit twee and convenient how everybody has put a title showing just how valid their opinion of this thing is.
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