Climate Change I hope this is not to political but it is so important

[Midnitehound]

You don't have a very high opinion of the people who agree with the mainstream, haven't done your "research", or actively disagree with you.

Those who don't follow your views are all ignorant, Bad, brainwashed, petulant zombies. You view debate as an attack, other opinions as ignorance.

LOL, oh dear, talk about picking out the packaging and missing the content.

No, I don't have a high opinion of those who are willfully ignorant of the truth or too lazy and self-absorbed to seek after it. My opinion of them is more 'medium' opinion. I reserve my 'low' opinion for particularly nasty narcissistic evil corrupt individuals and groups who deliberately cause harm and loss to others.

Your opinion of my views is I'm afraid to say somewhat myopic and way off the mark, this is not surprising as having no understanding of my background or learning will result in a somewhat limited view and understanding of what I am referring to at this time. You are judging through a glass darkly and you are making judgments based on a misunderstanding of meaning. It is difficult to be clearer as we are not speaking from the same perspective. Truth is belligerent by its very nature as it is at war with the fallacy and lies constantly preached around about. Accusing the World as a whole of being ignorant is not an insult it is a statement of truth and fact, accusing it of being stupid is a different think altogether. Also telling the truth is not arrogance if it is true, that is a in fact a duty. Stating things as fact is only arrogant if you are completely wrong and they aren't facts.

As far as ignorance is concerned, it is part of the human condition, not understanding this makes someone unwise (Socrates)

Ad hominem, particularly when incorrect, is not the wisest approach to understanding someone or what is actually being said. It is easy and point scoring I suppose but only in the score book of the ignorant chattering masses. Those who are informed and have a circumspect wise approach to things will look much deeper and see what I am really saying.

Hey, are you coming to the Moot this year, deep discussion and understanding is a nightmare online and much easier around the fire with a burnt sausage!

 

[Midnitehound]

Either you are a troll or I don't know what.

I have 6 children and I can tell you that every single one of them has received teaching in grammar, logic, rhetoric, arithmetic, geometry, music and astronomy.

Nearly all your posts contain vague mysterious statements that when challenged your response is "Ah but you don't know the secret things that I know.".
Actually, I think you talk absolute twaddle.

A student of History and Science having strong opinions but not trolling. Trolling is a waste of time and for mediocre minds.

None of what I have stated is secret, I have even suggested sources. Just because you are ignorant about what I am referring to doesn't make it twaddle but I suppose that is an easy way to write it off and ignore it. When I say ignorant I obviously don't mean stupid.

As for your children, I'm afraid to say they have received Prussian schooling, better than working down the mine but not better than receiving a true education in the Trivium and Quadrivium. What passes for the big 7 in school is a counterfeit, not the real thing. I'm afraid to break it to you but TPTB are not about to teach your children the T and Q, Ps and Qs maybe so they can be good little slaves but not the true T and Q. If they want those kind of skills and understanding then they are going to have to start now under their own steam. Hopefully they will have the skills and intellect to do this, many do not after compulsory schooling. As Einstein said "Education is what is left after you have forgotten everything you learned at school." If you want to argue that one, take it up with Einstein!

The reason why we are so far up poop creek is because we have been given too much twaddle and not enough paddle!

 

[Wayland]

It's sad isn't it that a serious and relevant subject like this can not be discussed in a reasonable and enlightened manner amongst a community that has perhaps a larger than average stake in whatever is happening to this planet.

I watch the various arguments with interest, read the papers that are not beyond my ken and think to myself "Thank goodness I don't have children."

I'll be gone in a few years so all this will not be my problem but I guess some of you will have to explain your part in all this to your grandchildren.

Just remember, they may some day have the say when somebody asks "Should we switch off this machine?"



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[mountainm]

As for your children, I'm afraid to say they have received Prussian schooling, better than working down the mine but not better than receiving a true education in the Trivium and Quadrivium. What passes for the big 7 in school is a counterfeit, not the real thing. I'm afraid to break it to you but TPTB are not about to teach your children the T and Q, Ps and Qs maybe so they can be good little slaves but not the true T and Q. If they want those kind of skills and understanding then they are going to have to start now under their own steam. Hopefully they will have the skills and intellect to do this, many do not after compulsory schooling. As Einstein said "Education is what is left after you have forgotten everything you learned at school." If you want to argue that one, take it up with Einstein!

Supercilious, condescending, hyperbolic, bunkem.

 

[mrcharly]

Supercilious, condescending, hyperbolic, bunkem.

Concise, accurate and to the point. A*

 

[Midnitehound]

Supercilious, condescending, hyperbolic, bunkem.

LOL, reduced to ad hominem.

I don't think I am superior to others nor that I am privileged to some secret information, knowledge of the truth is easily available to people now if they wish to discern it. I'm not being supercilious or condescending to point out that the emperor has no clothes or that someone has their skirt hooked in their pants, that is just silly. I'm not exaggerating either, understating if anything.

When children are being taught in schools that the Earth weeps every time a new child is born then I think that is pretty sick. When they are taught that to save the Earth from Climate Change we need to exterminate most of the Earth's population then that is also sick. When children are taught that they should be ashamed to be alive and they must believe the propaganda or they should be killed off first, that is sick. I understand that parents are sensitive about their children and feel guilty if they come to harm or are accused of not doing the best for them but that doesn't mean that people should stick their heads in the sand.

Argumentum ab Ignorantiam is in no way helpful when it comes to Climate Change, Education, History, Current Affairs or anything else.

As I have said, I do not think I am superior because I have a little knowledge, I am a teacher and therefore want everyone to have access to the truth as knowledge of the truth sets people free, if they want to be free that is. I have provided sources, those that humbly seek truth will perhaps find them helpful.

As for Climate Change. it happens, get used to it. What is the real enemy is ignorance and collectivist totalitarianism.

 

[mrcharly]

When children are being taught in schools that the Earth weeps every time a new child is born then I think that is pretty sick. When they are taught that to save the Earth from Climate Change we need to exterminate most of the Earth's population then that is also sick. When children are taught that they should be ashamed to be alive and they must believe the propaganda or they should be killed off first, that is sick. I understand that parents are sensitive about their children and feel guilty if they come to harm or are accused of not doing the best for them but that doesn't mean that people should stick their heads in the sand.

Again, you are talking absolute twaddle.

Not one of my kids has been taught anything of the sort.

Please look up the meaning of 'ad hominem'.
Neither I nor mountainm are attacking you, the person. We are attacking the nonsense you are saying here.

 

[boatman]

I see the problem here, you are emotionally involved with some sort of hate of modern education and as we all know:
"Aristotle who is considered to be one of the originators of the ideas behind the Trivium stated that an educated man should be capable of considering and investigating any idea or concept thoroughly without necessarily embracing or dismissing it. If during any discussion it becomes obvious that the other person is emotionally involved regarding a particular subject matter, then it is impossible to have a rational discussion based on the Trivium with them. Any emotional attachment to a particular belief blocks any kind of rational or logical argumentation."

But never mind dear, its only a forum.

 

[Humpback]

It's only a forum.......

I thought I was there with all this Latin being spouted!


Alan

 

[Wayland]

I normally notice people start quoting Latin when the realise they are losing the argument.

I guess they imagine that people will be intimidated into submission in some way.

 

[boatman]

Statement "The Trivium and Quadrivium are not taught in the schools for the masses for a very good reason. You may be aware that Caesar threatened to kill one of his Centurions for daring to share these very things with a slave! "

Not familiar with this episode in Caesar's colourful life but I am sure a reference can be provided. However, a slave (Pedagogue) would accompany a boy to school and presumably imbibe whatever was being taught while waiting to escort the boy home. A lot of educators were slaves or freedmen, Greeks being favoured. So what dread educational secret could Caesar hope to keep from slaves? An irrelevant fact but one of my first Latin lesson at school was a description of a boy getting up and going off for his lessons accompanied by his Pedagogue. Sadly the Latin hasn't really stuck but maybe the benefits of its influence by being able to identify BS have.

 

[ex-member BareThrills]

Im Spartacus!

Whats this thread about please? Im confused! Never mind ill switch off my small brain and go back to my beer!

 

[Midnitehound]

I normally notice people start quoting Latin when the realise they are losing the argument.

I guess they imagine that people will be intimidated into submission in some way.

LOL, really, well this is not a normal case, I often use Latin phrases, part of my training I guess and it is the foundation of much of our English language, it gives a much better understanding of what modern English words really mean when you look at the root Latin verbs they have been derived from. As for intimidating people into submission, I am an educator, I share knowledge and sow seeds, sometimes on barren ground, sometimes on fertile ground, I have no interest in intimidating anyone, I believe in the non-aggression principle (right brain) and the self-defence principle (left brain).

I do wonder if your observation extends to French though. If I say 'Your parcel is en route' does that mean I have lost it?' or how about 'Adieu', does that mean that I bid you farewell now I have lost the argument?

 

[Humpback]

People using Latin when plain English will suffice is my bête noir.


Alan

 

[Midnitehound]

I see the problem here, you are emotionally involved with some sort of hate of modern education and as we all know:
"Aristotle who is considered to be one of the originators of the ideas behind the Trivium stated that an educated man should be capable of considering and investigating any idea or concept thoroughly without necessarily embracing or dismissing it. If during any discussion it becomes obvious that the other person is emotionally involved regarding a particular subject matter, then it is impossible to have a rational discussion based on the Trivium with them. Any emotional attachment to a particular belief blocks any kind of rational or logical argumentation."

But never mind dear, its only a forum.

Correct, as we all know , I was going to quote it earlier but thought better of it! Your assertion that I somehow hate modern education is as incorrect as suggesting John Taylor Gatto also hates modern education. I am not emotional involved in hating modern education, rather dispassionate, rational and informed about it really. I love education, it brings me great joy and fulfillment, some heartache too. Knowing the origins of modern schooling however is a different kettle of fish. I'm not sure you would be so comfortable with out modern compulsory schooling system if you studied a little more History on the subject. I would recommend 'Dumbing Us Down' or 'Weapons of Mass Instruction' or perhaps Iserbyt book 'The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America'.

 

[boatman]

"when you look at the root Latin verbs from which they have been derived."

 

[Midnitehound]

People using Latin when plain English will suffice is my bête noir.


Alan

Yep, well sometimes Latin is a little more subtle in application rather than being a little too plain!

bête noir, (bête noire) I think I watched one of her movies once but it was 'in foreign' so I lost the thread of what was going on. Some here may be having the same problem.

I must say I do find some of the animated crassitude and animosity somewhat exasperating ( Latin roots: anima crassus animus asper)

 

[Andy BB]

Interesting sidebar - when I learnt Latin at school, we were taught "beginner's" conjugation using Paro ("I fight/make war"). Girls schools learnt Amo ("I love"). Sexism? Or the simple realisation that if you give a boy a doll, he'll make believe it's a Stuka

Must admit to admiring the self-adoration posts though! Although, truth be told, I have found over the last 40+ years in the "real world", 50 countries and 6 continents, that full/part-time "educators" (and I'm assuming here we're talking about teachers/lecturers rather than placard-wearing weirdies at Speakers Corner, although come to think of it, it applies to them too) tend to be fairly insulated from it............

 

[Midnitehound]

"when you look at the root Latin verbs from which they have been derived."

There was supposed to be an etc. (short for the Latin et cetera of course, or is that a Faux pa?) in there, you know, like nouns, adjectives....

Really if we are going to be talking about Climate Science we really should be chucking about a bit of German as well, the traditional language of Science. Or can we forego that due to it slowly becoming a dead language?

 

[boatman]

"with out"-without

"Faux pa"-faux pas

Happy to help.