You guys have some very strange laws

[mountainm]

What it would do is allow the legal gun owners a means of self protection.

...and there's the rub. I don't trust eejits wandering around carrying guns for "protection". I don't trust their self control, their anger management, or their ability to be rational.

 

[sunndog]

not sure about posting a link on here but chris rock does a great routine on gun control


in all honesty i kinda feel like america is too deep in gun culture to ever really change. and in my heart of hearts despite the freedom it would give gun nuts like me. i don't think i'd like to see britain with same laws

just my opinion that last bit, and no offence meant to any of our beloved cheese burger scoffing cola veined cousins LMAO

 

[abominable_scouse_monster]

The problem is in the UK it's too hard, in the US it's too easy that's the nub of the argument.
But also in the UK we are too restrictive in what can be owned, in the US it's too lax what you can own.

No country has got the gun ownership issue right, and it's doubtful any will ever.

I have close family in the Police and from what I have been told is this, the most common source of illegal gun's are imported from the middle east, after that it's reactivated weapons an converted blank weapons. After that a shocking number are home made, most don't even work but it wont stop some one from trying.

 

[bambodoggy]

You can't have it both ways. If you want public opinion to be the basis for law, castle law is something that many surveys show the majority want. You either base your laws on logic, or public opinion, you can't choose one when it suits you and deny it when it doesn't suit.

Can't you? Surely this is the whole basis of western governments....I thought everybody knew that lol

 

[santaman2000]

...and there's the rub. I don't trust eejits wandering around carrying guns for "protection". I don't trust their self control, their anger management, or their ability to be rational.

Ahh. So those who carry are eejits without self control? Perhaps this little statistic might interest you then: The population with legal CCW (Carry Concealed Weapons) permits are only one tenth to one sixth as likely to commit crimes as the police. And the rate of policeman who commit crimes is only .124% (or 1.2 per 1000) in the two states with the very highest rate (Texas and Florida)

Here you go:
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"Concealed Carry Up 130%, Violent Crime & Murder Down 22% Since 2007.

A report released by the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC) today reveals that at least 11.1 million Americans have valid concealed carry permits (PDF), and that the number of Americans who can lawfully concealed carry is actually much higher due to the fact that not all states have up-date-data, and the fact that four states (and most of Montana) does not require permits to carry concealed."


'The last comprehensive report on the number of concealed carry permit holders was completed three years ago by the U.S. Government Accountability Office and showed that 8 million Americans held a concealed carry permit.

CPRC collected the most recent data available for each state and the results showed that there are total of 11,113,013 Americans who currently hold concealed carry permits representing 4.8 percent of the total population.


The number of concealed carry permit holders is likely much higher than 11.1 million because numbers are not available for all states that issue permits, such as New York. Additionally, four states and the majority of Montana do not require that residents have a concealed handgun permit to carry within the state so the number of residents who carry a concealed weapon is not recorded.

The percent of the adult population with concealed handgun permits is determined by how difficult it is to get the permits, how long the permits have been available, and whether the government has discretion over who gets the permit.

The report also examines the violent crime rate in relation to the rising percentage of the adult population with concealed carry permits. Between 2007 and the preliminary estimates for 2013, murder rates have fallen from 5.6 to 4.4 per 100,000 – a 22 percent drop in the murder rate at the same time that the percentage of the adult population with permits soared by 130 percent. Overall violent crime also fell by 22 percent over that period of time'

"During the eight years from 1999 to 2007, the number of permits increased by about 240,000 per year. From 2008 to 2011, they increased almost fourfold to 844,000 net new permits per year, and from the end of 2011 to 2014 the yearly increase in permits issued has skyrocketed to 1,390,000 net new permits per year.

http://cdn.bearingarms.com/uploads/2014/07/cprc-chart-1.png

The data also shows that concealed carry permit holders are far more law-abiding than the average citizen and law enforcement officers as well. The report cited two states (Florida and Texas) where the data is especially well-documented, and found that police in Texas are six times more likely to commit crimes than concealed carriers, and in Florida, law enforcement officers are ten times more likely to commit crimes than concealed carriers. Considering police only commit crimes at a rate of 0.124 percent, that is a truly remarkable reflection on the level-headedness and rational behavior of concealed carry permit holders.

Florida is the state with the highest number of concealed carry permits with 1, 278,246 issued as of 2014, while Hawaii has the lowest number of permits, with just 183 as of their most recent data from January of 2010.

States with the highest number of murders have the lowest percentage of citizens with concealed carry permits."

 

[northumbrian]

Spirits yes, but we can brew beer, ale, wine, mead.....
The argument does hold. Alcohol does have restrictions, but it's not banned.
Come to think on it, it's the same for firearms.
Mushrooms are illegal to possess; are they illegal to consume ?

M

you can possess the magical kind of mushrooms but you cant process them.lol there used to be a kebab shop in the toon that sold them at kicking out time with their kebabs.

 

[Ogri the trog]

Gentlemen,
This has run its course, there will never be a single answer and no positive outcome will be likely if it is left open.

I'm closing this thread

Ogri the trog
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