Who was the genius who conned us into believing we need a fixed blade knife for bushcraft?

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The essential drivers on knife choice and selection have changed over time, required function was always historically the driver. With limited tech and materials a simple largeish fixed blade is the easiest to make/use and can be pressed into service for other uses - hence flint knives, parangs, hunting/butchery, and of course as weapons.
Axes are a different case and their functions are more limited and specific - to cut wood, use as a weapon. Flint axes were in use for a long time and I would think Otzi's copper one was a source of pride and value, far to good to be used as a knife and need constant resharpening.
With increasing tech and less urgency, more sophisticated smaller knives for lesser functions and an eye to ease of portability.
Fixed blades still have a functional role, where stability and "hygiene" are needed -e.g carving and food prep, but the folder has the advantage of portability especially where they are used much less frequently - e.g. a pen knife for sharpening your quill, for occaisional cutting small diameter materials that do not need a heavy/large blade, odd whittling, and therefore need to be pocketable and available as and when the need arises.
They can then also become multifunctional with extra blades, functions etc, making them of more practical daily use than a single fixed blade.
Axes are great tools but not overly portable and not always acceptable in public areas. Given their limited roles, unless there is a clear need and willingness to carry them, then a fixed blade can be pressed into service battoning for a small fire. Yes this can be done with a folder, but with more difficulty and risk of damage to the folder.
But the one other driver is Man's weakness - Ego, and the unquenchable aquisition of toys he does not really need. For this he needs a fixed blade to parade, and/or a folder of fine materials and functions to demonstrate.
When we are going out with a gas canister/petrol stove and enough tent pegs, there is, arguably, absolutely no need for a large fixed blade. A folder will suffice for almost everything, including the need to whittle a bit of wood, and a small kitchen knife if preferred for food prep.
For most of us who do not live or camp very far from civilisation, or in extreme climates, a folder will suffice. However, many of us still wear or carry our larger fixed blade "just in case", try to delude ourselves that this is part of "proper" bushcraft or try to find other justifications etc etc.

So in answer to the original question, who fooled us?, The answer is Ourselves!
 
If I’m working in the woods I may occasionally have a fixed blade knife on my belt but rarely. I no more carry a knife on my belt in camp than I do a kitchen knife in the kitchen! I am always amused with people walking around ‘gatherings’ and camps with knives on their belts ‘just in case’ even at the ‘Bushcraft Show’ (which is probably technically illegal - public place, no real justification).
 
If I’m working in the woods I may occasionally have a fixed blade knife on my belt but rarely. I no more carry a knife on my belt in camp than I do a kitchen knife in the kitchen! I am always amused with people walking around ‘gatherings’ and camps with knives on their belts ‘just in case’ even at the ‘Bushcraft Show’ (which is probably technically illegal - public place, no real justification).

I think for many it's a quiet pleasure to openly wear something that they value. I have met a lot of bushcrafting folks, and I observed early on that the knife topic is always a good conversation opener.

Mine is tidily tucked away, but I have no issues with bushcrafting bling :) and I have seen some truly excellent craftsmanship.
 
Knew I had this somewhere :)

This is the obligatory meet up knife display :) It used to be the custom to lay out all of those belonging to the people who turned up to a Meet. Kind of show off the shinies.

This was from the first Scottish meet up in Perthshire, over a decade ago.

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Mors might be a bad example as I believe it was more about price than anything else. The Mora was the most recent version however the earlier course knifes were folders.
We have almost no idea what people carried pre-metal and even post we are not really sure.
For most of metal human history, everyone would have carried a fixed blade knife especially pre-fork.
I do see the fashion of this as I lived through the one blade to do it all era before this.
From a personal point of view I like locking or fixed blades as I live in fear of folding a blade over my fingers.
I also wonder if I could do everything I want to do with my SAK Huntsman and that my other knives just make my life easier or safer.
 
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Knew I had this somewhere :)

This is the obligatory meet up knife display :) It used to be the custom to lay out all of those belonging to the people who turned up to a Meet. Kind of show off the shinies.

This was from the first Scottish meet up in Perthshire, over a decade ago.

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That looks like the kind of picture the police usually post after a knife amnesty. The only thing missing is the obligatory bat'leth :)
 
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Pocket knives (folding knives) have been around for centuries. Carried even by Mountain Men in the early US. Generally they were known as "Clasp Knives" But they had enough sense not to make it their mainstay. And they always carried some sort of hatchet/axe/hawk. Now an argument could be made that modern folding knives are vastly superior to what they carried. Personally, the fewer points of failure I have in my kit the better. So I will carry all three.

I agree with Horace Kephart: "The notion that a heavy hunting knife can do the work of a hatchet is a delusion."

More grist for the mill!

Gracie
 
I agree with Horace Kephart: "The notion that a heavy hunting knife can do the work of a hatchet is a delusion."

What about a quality 10" chandong parang like the myparang from Bidor or the Condor mini duku? Seems to have (almost) all the chopping and batoning ability but with the ability to do slashing and fine work too, and at the same time being lighter to carry.
 
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I agree with Horace Kephart: "The notion that a heavy hunting knife can do the work of a hatchet is a delusion."
………… and why on Earth would you want it to?

Were it an emergency then all rules and guidelines go out of the window. Under normal conditions wouldn’t you use the right tool for the job?
 
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………… and why on Earth would you want it to?

Were it an emergency then all rules and guidelines go out of the window. Under normal conditions wouldn’t you use the right tool for the job?

So how does one explain the Leuku and Puukko combination ? Are they larping?

Sorry - slightly devils advocate and I'm genuinely interested in why they don't use Hatchets and why you think the reason is that they don't use them?
 
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So how does one explain the Leuku and Puukko combination ?
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What about a quality 10" chandong parang like the myparang from Bidor or the Condor mini duku? Seems to have (almost) all the chopping and batoning ability but with the ability to do slashing and fine work too, and at the same time being lighter to carry.

Kephart's statement has to be taken in historical and geographical context. His comment had more to do with the knives being sold in the US at the time. YouTube is absolutely filled with people evaluating knives based on whether it could be used to baton, feather stick. The blades you mentioned were not available at the time.

I'm guessing he would have no problem using the blades you mention since they are designed and used as a tool that could do most of what a hatchet/axe would do. There are several modern "knives" that ARE up to the task-- such as the Campanion but I doubt I could fillet a fish or skin game with it.

And the idea that a knife has to have a full tang (for strength) comes directly from the desire to baton wood.

Of course, these are just my opinions. I could be wrong. LOL

Gracie
 
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So how does one explain the Leuku and Puukko combination ? Are they larping?

Sorry - slightly devils advocate and I'm genuinely interested in why they don't use Hatchets and why you think the reason is that they don't use them?
See post #57
 
Where Sami people used to (and still do) roam is mostly above the tree line where the biggest "trees" are of this size:
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So no need for an axe for preparing firewood, a leuku is big enough. And leuku is like the khukri; a tool for all sorts of chores. Andthen the puukko for finer tasks.
 

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