So what about Litter? I'm born and bred country boy so it sticks out to me in the countryside here , but I never really frequented the cities as a young lad.
I guess I'm asking is - do we think our social values have dropped?
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So what about Litter? I'm born and bred country boy so it sticks out to me in the countryside here , but I never really frequented the cities as a young lad.
I guess I'm asking is - do we think our social values have dropped?
Not so many dogs in 50/60’s but pavements were much much messier. No one would comment as a dog on a lead crapped in the middle of the pavement. Free roaming dogs were common in our village. They went everywhere. Something that I just don’t see now.
Does anyone know whether incidents of toxicara canis are up or down since then. They are very low this decade @ 2 per million population but that’s still tragic for those few.
It was the same with litter, cigarette packets, sweet wrappers, and chewing gum everywhere. I went on a canal boat holiday with my best mate and his family. We were in two cars with his dad driving the one in front with his elder sister in. She threw her cigarette packet out of the window and not a word was said. This was a bank manager and a solicitor couple. I was speechless.
Litter was an issue but was again subject to campaigns about dropping litter.
Sadly I think values have dropped in the last 20 years or so. Values about looking after things and not making your environment a dump to live in.
Unfortunately a lot of people see litter, dog waste and dumped furniture etc as the councils issue.
This attitude, rather like its polar opposite are passed down from parents.
Not difficult to find where they live…..Pop it in their letter box!
I think, well I know, 'cos I dug for a living, that 'litter' is not just more prolific, but less biodegradable, and, folks don't burn stuff the same way they did in the past.
Anything that would burn was burnt.
I know folks who used to stay to help clear up at jumble sales so that they could take the unwanted bags of leather shoes....to burn. They owned their own house, but they scrimped and scraped to do it. One pair of old shoes smouldered and gave out heat all night.
I know of folks who wrapped up vegetable peelings in newspaper and put them at the back of the fire to smoulder slowly all night. Every bit of unwanted paper ended up on the fire.
Fuel was fuel if I make myself clear.
We fieldwalk because everything that went in the midden went on the fields, and the ashes and so on ended up in the middens. Amazing what turns up at times.
Thankfully all that 'fuel is fuel' pretty much all stopped before the unbelievable deluge of plastic every damned thing overtook our world.
I mind black soot on everything. Washing hanging outside and rained upon needed re-washed.
Not now. Imagine that with burning plastic in the mix too
I think plastic is the biggest bugbear, that and that it's virtually impossible to seperate the components of some things....a pringles can for instance, it's not just paper, it's plastic, it has metal bits, and printing inks and glue too.
Have our social values dropped though ?
I think too many don't care. I think that makes it harder for those of us who do.
I admit it's a pet peeve of mine. I hate seeing litter, I really dislike the dumb dumpers and their selfish laziness.
Ok, If so - why ? Do we think people care less - if so why?
Is that a natural thing?
Part of me wonders what gives people/us a reason to value that which we live in? If that seems odd - it would seem its a relevant part of what we are talking about.
I think people don't. They care about 'theirs'....their clothes, their car, their home, and they'd like the rest to be clean and tidy, but it's no skin off their nose to clear out their clutter, their litter, as easily as possible and if that means dumping their trash someplace they don't see it, they do it.
It's selfish laziness.
A mile and a bit away from where I live is an enormous tomb. It was built for the local dukes. It has the most magnificient echo inside (the bodies were removed long ago, the mines that the dukes made a lot of money from caused subsidence), it's a whole architectural wonder/monument kind of thing....but behind it is a several metres high pile of plastic cider bottles.
Local man, goes for a walk every day, passes Asda, picks up two two litre bottles of white lightening or similar, goes behind the tomb and sits and drinks them before he goes home....and leaves the bottles. He's been doing it for years.
That kind of littering just encourages others to litter, to see something rundown, vandals think it all fair game, etc.,
It's disheartening really.
It's selfish laziness.
A mile and a bit away from where I live is an enormous tomb. It was built for the local dukes. It has the most magnificient echo inside (the bodies were removed long ago, the mines that the dukes made a lot of money from caused subsidence), it's a whole architectural wonder/monument kind of thing....but behind it is a several metres high pile of plastic cider bottles.
Local man, goes for a walk every day, passes Asda, picks up two two litre bottles of white lightening or similar, goes behind the tomb and sits and drinks them before he goes home....and leaves the bottles. He's been doing it for years.
That kind of littering just encourages others to litter, to see something rundown, vandals think it all fair game, etc.,
It's disheartening really.
"Always following the route of least resistance"
I'm sorry that whatever event it was in life, that has given you this jaded outlook and the nerve to mention it on this particular forum.
Path of least resistance, Indeed!
Ceeg
I'm sorry that whatever event it was in life, that has given you this jaded outlook and the nerve to mention it on this particular forum.
Path of least resistance, Indeed!
Ceeg
Apparently, there’s a massive problem of children entering the school system nowadays who just aren’t “school ready”. Some even have to wear nappies because they’re not toilet trained, some can’t use a knife and fork, many try to use a book as if it’s an iPad because they’ve never seen a book, they don’t know their full name, can’t brush their teeth. It’s appalling that some parents can take such little responsibility for their children’s life skills learning.
Talking about cats, have you been to Istanbul?We should introduce a dog owning license. If your dog fouls the pavement and it's not cleared you get 3 points and a fine. If you get more than 9 points you no longer have a license to keep a dog (I know, totally impractical, but something needs doing).
I feel the same about cats - we've got to reduce the 10+ million somehow
I’ve sometimes thought a parenting license would do more good than a pet license. Not entirely seriously but there’s an element of truth, having spent a couple of years teaching troubled kids and young offenders. Some parents are dreadful.
Oh, a dog licence... that used to be a thing, but there was no test... you just used to pay a fee, so it was not like a driving licence but more like a TV licence. And we know how well that was enforced.
Hanging the bag full of dog poop on trees or fences is all too common, absolutely vile, it’s almost worse than not bagging it at all because it’ll hang there for so much longer, long after one left on the ground has washed away with the weather.
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