A downside with myself was that not only did I become massively overweight to the point of morbidly obese the damned meds I was taking were well known for both weight gain and the destruction of the immune system.
What did the Pandemic do for you ?
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OK, somehow my tired braincell wasn't computing properly.
I've had a frustrating day where nothing ..and I mean absolutely nothing has gone to plan, and I'm exhausted, mentally and physically.
Sorry, wasn't picking you up, just needed to clarify. Cheers.
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Sometimes meds do more damage than they sort out. You end up with two problems instead of one.
Hope you can get yourself fit again. It's not easy, but I'm sure if you can get the right referrals you can improve somewhat, even if the old norm isn't possible.
I'm trying to loose at least a stone, 3, 1/2 months, and no change. I'm not giving up! It will happen, I'm changing my so called dietician who keeps telling me it's fine I havnt lost an ounce, in that time, despite diet changes, and more exercise. I have to take daily steroids which doesn't help either. Frustrating!
I absolutely agree. That was just the beginning. I saw right through it but it was very very powerful. I did not take the vaccine and never would. In answer to the question though how was I changed. During and after that period I made it my mission to learn to be self reliant in food, skills, health and spiritually. Through all of this I am well on the way to being sovereign and free. I am happier and healthier. I very much doubt I would be in such a fantastic place in my life right now without experiencing that level of global fear and negativity and it prompted me to write a book all about my lifetimes work of working toward freedom, It should be published early next year x
apart from a serious hit of our economy (as tourism shut completely down and lot's of businesses closed) it meant having to get my documents (to apply for costa rican citizenship) three times from europe (as two sets were lost in the mail) and caused the kidnapping of my beloved munchkin (=dog) in search of aforementioned documents....
and -- as mentioned by others before-- i think it was/ is a conspiracy...
and -- as mentioned by others before-- i think it was/ is a conspiracy...
Nothing medical is guaranteed, and given the huge variation in the human body, there are bound to be some for whom it either does not work or has unpleasant effects or harm. I looked at it and decided on the balance of probabilities, that it was better to than not, and was happy to take the vaccine. But at the same time I would not support forced vaccination or any other forced medical treatment. It has to be an individuals choice. (There is a part of the Mental Health Act re medication of Sectioned people that I am not comfortable with).
At the same time, it means that not going with the majority means that you might have to accept limitations. e.g. if an employer takes a view that employees have to be vaccinated, they might be right or wrong. By being the outlier you have to accept that you cannot be part of that employment, because the majority disagree with you. e.g. There are similar situations where good spoken english is seen as an essential safety issue, no matter how well otherwise you are qualified.
At the same time, it means that not going with the majority means that you might have to accept limitations. e.g. if an employer takes a view that employees have to be vaccinated, they might be right or wrong. By being the outlier you have to accept that you cannot be part of that employment, because the majority disagree with you. e.g. There are similar situations where good spoken english is seen as an essential safety issue, no matter how well otherwise you are qualified.
I was an archaeologist....a huge part of that is research, and in Scotland that research includes the first statistical accounts of the country.
Basically the Ministers of every parish wrote an account of their parish; it's people, their state of health, of housing, of economy, etc.,.....you would not believe the relief still so obvious in their writings of hundreds of years ago of the new treatment that was actually working to vaccinate people against smallpox. One wrote that in the parish that year on year hundreds were taken and others left mutilated and yet this past year, none had died of it, none had been left horrendously damaged....that was the very first 'vaccinations', simply made from the contents of the pustules of someone with the closely related cowpox......my husband's cousin is now eighty years old, for 74 of those years he has limped painfully and bravely through life on callipers and crutches, because he got polio as a small child.....one set of wee drops on a sugar cube to every bairn in the land, and we had no polio.
So, yes, I do take on board peoples concerns about vaccinations and side effects, etc., but I know damned fine that without them people die, children are maimed, blinded, crippled.
Covid ? I took every vaccination offered, and have recently taken the ones offered to prevent me developing shingles.....another horrendous infliction.
Would I be happy knowing that my children were socialising with children, in a close environment like a school, and that those children were not vaccinated against measles, rubella, polio ? diphtheria ....I know of a family member who buried five of her babies in a week, from diphtheria, she literally lost all of her infants only her older children survived...we rarely hear of diptheria now, or scarlet fever, yet there used to be entire wards devoted to the care of children suffering from it. TB ? there's another nightmare resurrecting itself. How about lockjaw ?....the list is enormous, and I honestly think that refusing vaccinations is a symptom and declaration of 1st world entitlement.
Basically the Ministers of every parish wrote an account of their parish; it's people, their state of health, of housing, of economy, etc.,.....you would not believe the relief still so obvious in their writings of hundreds of years ago of the new treatment that was actually working to vaccinate people against smallpox. One wrote that in the parish that year on year hundreds were taken and others left mutilated and yet this past year, none had died of it, none had been left horrendously damaged....that was the very first 'vaccinations', simply made from the contents of the pustules of someone with the closely related cowpox......my husband's cousin is now eighty years old, for 74 of those years he has limped painfully and bravely through life on callipers and crutches, because he got polio as a small child.....one set of wee drops on a sugar cube to every bairn in the land, and we had no polio.
So, yes, I do take on board peoples concerns about vaccinations and side effects, etc., but I know damned fine that without them people die, children are maimed, blinded, crippled.
Covid ? I took every vaccination offered, and have recently taken the ones offered to prevent me developing shingles.....another horrendous infliction.
Would I be happy knowing that my children were socialising with children, in a close environment like a school, and that those children were not vaccinated against measles, rubella, polio ? diphtheria ....I know of a family member who buried five of her babies in a week, from diphtheria, she literally lost all of her infants only her older children survived...we rarely hear of diptheria now, or scarlet fever, yet there used to be entire wards devoted to the care of children suffering from it. TB ? there's another nightmare resurrecting itself. How about lockjaw ?....the list is enormous, and I honestly think that refusing vaccinations is a symptom and declaration of 1st world entitlement.
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It showed the Quarantine worked between me and my Father, until an unrelated incident put him in hospital where he caught Covid and I lost him 7 months later unable to kiss him goodbye as I was in a spacesuit.
@MartinK9
I'm sorry for your loss, and sorrier still that it was so bleak. It must be so hard to get over that as well as his death.
One of my friends lost her 46 year old son in law to it, his too early death left his family devastated, and years later he's still very much missed.
I'm sorry for your loss, and sorrier still that it was so bleak. It must be so hard to get over that as well as his death.
One of my friends lost her 46 year old son in law to it, his too early death left his family devastated, and years later he's still very much missed.
A different conversation entirely, but there’s been no erosion in trust by me, as there was very little to erode in the first place. The stage and backstage are very different places, the distraction and facade occur in front of an easily misled audience, acting as one to laugh or be shocked, or enthralled. Covid almost had its own laughter track to gee us all along.
Covid did bring some camaraderie and I often saw the best in people in the little village where we lived at the time. But now, I see laziness and subsequent ruin in many industries. A general lack of pride and care, a shrugging off of responsibility and an expectation to be provided for without making the slightest effort. On the plus, I behave kindly to people or try to take a pause before reacting badly. And this is more often reciprocated than not, it’s a better way to live and I don’t have to spend my day feeling angry or resentful. Doesn’t always work of course, some people are having a bad day with their own battle and there’s nothing but frustration for them. Me, I’m more spiritually aware, inhabiting this meat robot for a while longer hopefully, not really worrying or fearful about much of what goes on around me. That, I learned in a very harsh manner, as a few of you will know.
My suspicious mind sees the integration of fear to rule as a big part of Covid, a quiet and mainly ignorant populace is fairly easy to control, a structured prison of our own making. Few trust organised religion, and less trust politicians to have our best interests at heart. I’m not unconvinced as it is now fact, that the disease ‘escaped’ the Wuhan Institute of Virology, and that there was American military funding involved.
It’s tragic, but not entirely shocking, that many people died and lost relatives through this awful man-made disease. Still, every carefully crafted war has its casualties and will continue to do so.
I’m putting the kettle on, may or may not have a couple of Bourbon biscuits
To edit a little. @MartinK9 I feel for you as I do so many others who had to experience the Covid deaths on a personal level. Drop a PM if you feel like it, I’m no therapist, or anything other than another human, but I’ll tell you a story, as can you.
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Aww gawd steroids, yeah I know about them as it was corticosteroids that did my damage, and yeah weight loss, over the space of the last two years I have lost three of the unwanted stone I gained, to have a further one and a half stone yet to shift to get back to my pre pandemic, pre corticosteroid weight.Sometimes meds do more damage than they sort out. You end up with two problems instead of one.
Hope you can get yourself fit again. It's not easy, but I'm sure if you can get the right referrals you can improve somewhat, even if the old norm isn't possible.
I'm trying to loose at least a stone, 3, 1/2 months, and no change. I'm not giving up! It will happen, I'm changing my so called dietician who keeps telling me it's fine I havnt lost an ounce, in that time, despite diet changes, and more exercise. I have to take daily steroids which doesn't help either. Frustrating!
A problem of excess weight of which perhaps folk of whom look dimly at overweight people don't realise is what excess weight does to a musculoskeletal structure that is not developed for carrying such weight and I was there to learn all about that to find I had to lose weight without exercise to get to a place I could exercise and the strictest form of keto diet was my weapon of choice and yes it worked, I dumped two stone in four months.
Now I can exercise to still be losing weight albeit at a slower pace approx 3 pounds a week I have adopted a less strict form of Keto and am daily engaged in the heart rate method of weight loss exercise, a fitness tracker really helps here.
Good luck
What I find funny is that during Covid everybody and their cats suddenly became medical experts that knew everything about this influenza.
I knew that I don´t know more than a pig about medical stuff so I had/have full trust in my countries medical experts. Gladly took all the vaccine they gave us.
I don´t and never will believe in any conspiracy theory.
I knew that I don´t know more than a pig about medical stuff so I had/have full trust in my countries medical experts. Gladly took all the vaccine they gave us.
I don´t and never will believe in any conspiracy theory.
I think that first bit is somewhat a natural state of being Human. ( I think. Irony I know.. )
Pick any subject - pandemic , war , political hot topic , what crops should be planted - the average man on the street will have an opinion ( not fully thought out , not well reasoned , not internally challenged ) that they wish to share if given the platform.
Unfortunately the man on the street also tends to be a fricken idiot.
Its somewhere between Dunning-Kruger syndrome and a seemingly created requirement for hubristic confidence.
Think you may have done a disservice to Pigs however , considering how often we use them in Medical experiments and suchlike - they are probably quite well versed and up to speed of medical stuff.
Circe would be proud.
I am amazed how quickly conspiracy theories started and how long they have persisted. I’m still being told that Covid jabs don’t work and are just Big Pharma making money.
Our cheating political “leader” didn’t help of course.
I am surprised that conspiracy theorists criticise all sorts of authorities for ineptitude and yet credit them with levels of security and secrecy that MI6 can’t achieve.
If “they”/The Illuminati/other global covert assembly, are that good at security and secrecy they may as well come out into the open: I’d vote for them over the choice we currently have!
I am very grateful for the eleven jabs and fifty six free tests I received. Only three of them came back positive and I have never suffered more than a couple of days.
I quite expect that I’ve had it several times since.
Our cheating political “leader” didn’t help of course.
I am surprised that conspiracy theorists criticise all sorts of authorities for ineptitude and yet credit them with levels of security and secrecy that MI6 can’t achieve.
If “they”/The Illuminati/other global covert assembly, are that good at security and secrecy they may as well come out into the open: I’d vote for them over the choice we currently have!
I am very grateful for the eleven jabs and fifty six free tests I received. Only three of them came back positive and I have never suffered more than a couple of days.
I quite expect that I’ve had it several times since.
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My son in law, the fittest member of our family, got Covid before there was a vaccine, to the extent that he was about to be put on a ventilator. He had made all his arrangements with my daughter when he started to recover. He donated his antibodies afterwards (this was a possible line of defence before the vaccine.)
He still suffers Long Covid.
His six month old son with Covid Toes.
He still suffers Long Covid.
His six month old son with Covid Toes.
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There are extremes on both sides. When I was a baby I didn't have some vaccinations as my parents were told they could kill me. It's well known that some people can react badly to vaccinations but you did hear some rather extreme comments about people who refused them.
I actually had my first couple of covid jabs, reacted very badly to one. I caught covid not long after another so stopped having them. Not caught it since. I'm intelligent enough not to draw any conclusions from this though.
We coped very well and look fondly back on lockdown. Several years beforehand we had decided to move somewhere where we can be more self reliant (for want of a better word). Part of this was for my OH to work from home and we'd spent a fair bit of time sorting out a reliable internet connection, phones routing direct to home etc. This was a benefit for her company as they knew how to get the rest of the people in the office to work from home once covid struck.
I liked the fact you didn't feel much pressure to go out or get stuff done. I spent time getting the garden sorted and with our aging beloved dog.
It has had an impact on other things, I think it's disgusting so many people have used covid as an excuse. Various public services for example have taken years to sort out phones ringing direct to homes, or claim to have problems. As has been said, it has led to lots of laziness.
I also lost a close relative and another good friend to health issues unrelated to covid but covid got in the way of treating them.
I liked the fact you didn't feel much pressure to go out or get stuff done. I spent time getting the garden sorted and with our aging beloved dog.
It has had an impact on other things, I think it's disgusting so many people have used covid as an excuse. Various public services for example have taken years to sort out phones ringing direct to homes, or claim to have problems. As has been said, it has led to lots of laziness.
I also lost a close relative and another good friend to health issues unrelated to covid but covid got in the way of treating them.
Most people just wanted to further their knowledge about a major event that was impacting their lives and make informed decisions about how to respond.
Strangely, educating yourself was widely put forward as something that was not only irresponsible, but ultimately dangerous. If that didn't raise your hackles, then I'm not sure what would.
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Maybe (some) people "broke the rules" because they made a reasoned and balanced decision that "the rules" were nonsensical?
Masks is a good example. I have spent a number of years in a technical environment where I must advise on mask use. The surgical face coverings in use for COVID are not allowed for protection from silica dust or asbestos because they would have been ineffective.... both of which are larger in size than a virus, and of course they leak around the edges not being face-fitted. Anyone who had any proper understanding of respiratory protective equipment knew that the loose "masks" recommended were basically pointless. Even where masks or a suitable type specified, such masks must be donned and worn correctly (including being clean shaven) and replaced regularly to actually deliver the theoretical level of protection.
No, requiring masks was a fear tactic- as the minutes of the government unit tasked with "nudging" the population into taking the siutation seriously enough showed. People were not scared enough, so they brought in a visibile symbolic reminder then scared people into (a) using it and (b) ostracising those who didn't. They were very effective ifrom the progaganda point of view- and the fear still remains.
And this is why trust was eroded.
Hmmm, that's a great theoretical position, but it assumes that the mandated treatment is effective. Which was at best debateable in thie case, and the control measures for dissenters were overly draconian in some jurisdictions. The tyranny of majority (mob?) opinion always needs to be guarded against, especially where emotions run high.
The problem with this argument in the COVID scenario is that it falls down when you look at the risk profiles of COVID and efficacy of the vaccine. It was a disease which caused very little harm to children, and indeed the risks of the vaccine were probably higher than that of the disease unless you were elderly and/or had some specific medical conditions. So doubtful that universal (vs targetted) vaccination was appropriate.
The other issue is that unlike the vaccines for the diseases you cite, the COVID "vaccine" was not a proper sterilising vaccine in that vaccinated people could still catch the condition and pass it on. The same is not the case with something like measles vaccine which stops the transmission by vaccinated people, and so achieves herd immunity, and it's that herd immunity which protects those who cannot safely have the vaccine, e.g. smallpox is contraindicted in persons with immune-related skin conditions like eczema. There's also the issue of "original antigenic sin" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin) which is cited as being relevant to COVID.
I had the initial Astra-zenica vaccine, but I had odd side efffects after the first jab- I am menopausal, but it caused a period. Although the govt at the time denied that was a side effect, the (female) nurse who gave me the second jab in the course admitted that in her experience it was a common side effect in women. Eventually it was admitted to be a side-effect, but they said "rare" and don't know why..... so, a vaccine that does not prevent spread, for a condition which is not particularly problematic for most of the populaiton, causes a very noticable side-effect that they cannot explain and initially denied.
I didn't have any more jabs. (I'd had COVID anyway in the first wave before it was recognised). Trust gone.
COVID was a complex situation which wasn't handled well- and indeed wasn't handled in line with the established UK govt emergency procedures for a pandemic. We got poor/flawed modelling and an increasing level of control which was at best questionable. We went vaccine and PPE mad- some people and companies made a LOT of money out of it. We created divides in society, ran up a huge debt and left a legacy of distrust and disadvantaged children. Trust in "the experts" and institutions was squandered and lost.
There were some positives- routine use of Teams for example- but the the legacy overall I believe was harmful.
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