Are you guys sure removing it's locking ring makes it legal? I heard it doesn't count because it's still a lock knife..disabled or not..
Is this true?
Is this true?
Are you guys sure removing it's locking ring makes it legal? I heard it doesn't count because it's still a lock knife..disabled or not..
Is this true?
Are you guys sure removing it's locking ring makes it legal? I heard it doesn't count because it's still a lock knife..disabled or not..
Is this true?
So people would highly recommend an Opnel No 6 or 7 over a cheap unbranded lock knife. Just need to find the cheapest place selling them now.
There seems to be a lot of worry & misunderstang about the current knife laws, How many people here have been or know of anyone who has been arrested & charged for carrying a penknife & how many of those knives were opinels ?
Where I haven't seen any misunderstanding? plenty of worry but as yet no misunderstanding aside from the OP of the EDC thread. I agree alot of time is spent on here and BB worrying about following the letter of the law when so few of us have been stopped and searched but when your job/career requires an advanced CBR check your likley to be a little worried arn't you
opinels above the no5 lock therefore are not exempt and therefore you need good reason to be carrying one - its up to you to decide whether you have good reason....
I think foreigners can understand both the reasons behind the Knife laws & the honest brits wish to abide by them.
As for undertanding them, not knowing if it's the actual blade length or cutting edge which counts or not sure if by removing the opinels locking system it falls within the law does not look like understanding them to me.
As for having a good reason to be carring one, I believe it is more a question of the intervining police officer(s) interpretation rather than the carriers, there will be constables that won't take the matter any further & others that will. Luck of the draw.
One can only hope that the thugs & gangs won't have the idea to on the rampage using rucksacks to attack people or they'll ( ruckies) be put on the no no list too.
oddly enought the whole lock knife issue is based on case law - its not even strickly speaking in the legislation - somone might one day sucessfully argue the case that the previous judgement was an incorrect interpritation of the legislation - but I wouldn't hold your breath....
can i assume your not from the UK? the Law or Act as it stands is quite clear;
The CJA 1988 mainly relates to carrying knives in public places, Section 139 being the most important.
"It is an offence for any person, without lawful authority or good reason, to have with him in a public place, any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except for a folding pocket-knife which has a cutting edge to its blade not exceeding 3 inches." [CJA 1988 section 139(1)]
so by law its up to you to provide the 'good reason' - you provide it to either a) the policeman, failing that he arests you and you explain it to b)the desk seargant he disagrees with you so you then prove it to c) the CPS - they dont like it either so you then have to explain it d)in court - personally I would be getting a layer once it passes b) let them do what they are paid for - and if you EVER plan to get a job that needs CRB check I would suggest you don't accept the caution as te easy way out!
blade lengh wise its also a cuting edge of 3" - however is that on the curve, lengh of blade or lengh detemined by penetration into an object - that has so far not been tested in court. I think most feel if the whole blade is less than 3" they are safe from every interpritation possible.
You make it sound so clear, so why the confusion by both the public & police officers.? Some members here have contacted their local police stations to clarify if a certain catagory of knife was legal or not & have had differing answers, even working & ex coppers on this forum offer various affirmations as to what is allowed or not.
To the best of my knowledge, the swiss army knife IS legal, but do you still need a valid reason to carry one should you be stopped & searched ? Also is carrying a S.A.K in a leather case on your belt in a public place allowed ?
To get back to Opinels, I find it hard to believe that a police officer would press charges against someone found in possesion of one ( N° 7 or less) in a camping or bushy situation. even though, technically, it's illegal. There is surely a certain amount of leeway given to policemen/women in such a situation.
Incidently, do police officers carry the means of measuring knife blades with them ?
You make it sound so clear, so why the confusion by both the public & police officers.? Some members here have contacted their local police stations to clarify if a certain catagory of knife was legal or not & have had differing answers, even working & ex coppers on this forum offer various affirmations as to what is allowed or not.
To the best of my knowledge, the swiss army knife IS legal, but do you still need a valid reason to carry one should you be stopped & searched ? Also is carrying a S.A.K in a leather case on your belt in a public place allowed ?
To get back to Opinels, I find it hard to believe that a police officer would press charges against someone found in possesion of one ( N° 7 or less) in a camping or bushy situation. even though, technically, it's illegal. There is surely a certain amount of leeway given to policemen/women in such a situation.
Incidently, do police officers carry the means of measuring knife blades with them ?
You make it sound so clear, so why the confusion by both the public & police officers.?
To the best of my knowledge, the swiss army knife IS legal, but do you still need a valid reason to carry one should you be stopped & searched ?
Also is carrying a S.A.K in a leather case on your belt in a public place allowed ?
To get back to Opinels, I find it hard to believe that a police officer would press charges against someone found in possesion of one ( N° 7 or less) in a camping or bushy situation. even though, technically, it's illegal.
There is surely a certain amount of leeway given to policemen/women in such a situation.
Incidently, do police officers carry the means of measuring knife blades with them ?
Realy - must have missed that one I though it was still based on Crown Court case (Harris v DPP), and backed up by The Court of Appeal (REGINA - v - DESMOND GARCIA DEEGAN 1998). Have you got a link to the HoL ruling?