Water access rights / cooperation between outdoor activity organisations?

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So we're in the stage of a potential review of access to the outdoors again. BCU are talking about access to water, to clean water, etc. That's along with joining the BMC and the ramblers in presenting to the all parliamentary committee on outdoor access.

Do you think that the water access will be dropped again as too hard to sort out like last time? Or are we in a new climate where things like open water swimming, fitness for health and other more modern matters and thinking will mean that access to water gets a fair consideration?

Please, this is not meant to be political in conventional ways.
Yes the various groups who want water access should cooperate if the want to get anywhere.

More public awareness, partly for the reasons you note, may help if a political party thinks it will get them support.

We all know this.

Therefore people have raised points that will undoubtedly be thrown up in practice and/or the interest of other groups who have equal right to do so.
To deny this will happen by saying I don’t see the link is sticking one’s head in the sand.
 
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Get found with fishing gear in your vehicle, or person, without a licence near a fishing beat, and you can lose your car and equipment though.
This would not happen Toddy, you would need to be carrying illegal gear in your car to have it seized, going equipped, snares, gaffs, nets etc. Decent points made in your post.
 
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Not up here. If you're caught with fishing kit near a salmon beat, you can have it all confiscated...and that includes the vehicle that got you there too.


It's a big business for the owners of the beats.

My big brother worked the salmon nets on the Tay for a couple of summers when he was a student.
There are no nets now, no sea nets in the estuaries either.
Get caught with a bit of splash net and they'll throw the book at you.
 
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Not up here. If you're caught with fishing kit near a salmon beat, you can have it all confiscated...and that includes the vehicle that got you there too.


It's a big business for the owners of the beats.

My big brother worked the salmon nets on the Tay for a couple of summers when he was a student.
There are no nets now, no sea nets in the estuaries either.
Get caught with a bit of splash net and they'll throw the book at you.
Fair point, I was talking England…….34 years Fisheries Enforcement and Riverine Habitat Improvement.
 
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I think that's a very valid point though; the UK is four different countries (plus a lot of islands, some of which have their own laws too) and while it seems sensible to have 'joined up thinking' on environmental features like rivers, the reality often gets bogged down in the minutae of trying to please everyone....I don't think that has ever happened yet :rolleyes2:

I would love free and easy access for us all, but we live in a busy island, it's big enough that we can still find quiet places to wander, but honestly, it doesn't need many to be careless, as in couldn't care less, to make things a mess of damage, depredation, destruction, pollution, etc.,

I don't know the answer.
I do know that virtually every hilltop in our isles has a fort of some kind on it. There are walls and dykes and ditches and trenches all over. We've been defining and defending territory for millenia :sigh:

The river banks are where folks first settled, good easy worked land, fertile and seasonal inundation brought down stuff from higher up to enrich the soil. Good foraging, good hunting or fishing, all year long.

River access was the only way to get inland in Britain for an awfullly long time. Decent roads and all year clear footpaths are a relatively new thing. Crossing points, fords, confluences, those became settlements, often walled settlements, York for instance.

If you look at a map of the UK, it's usually displayed North to South. If you turn it on it's side, suddenly the network of rivers that thread through the entire land is shown so clearly....all of those rivers were access and transport routes.....and food.

Now that access is restricted, limited, but it's because the rivers are used by so many different people, businesses, industries, all with different needs.....and still we don't take enough care, we use them as overflow sewers, etc.,

Honestly ? I think until we get 'joined up thinking' on it, then it's always going to be contentious.

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If you have seen our recent local news regarding the trashing of Dartmoor, you would simply ban ALL public access. As for prosecuting these low life who abuse it and ruin it………Dream on, it will never happen!
BBC National News this morning.
 

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