Ultimate bushcraft sin!!!!

[Paul_B]

I guess some on here learn camping and being in the outdoors from scouts/guides. Or even outward bounds. My cardinal sin involves such groups that allow mass camping at beautiful locations and not making sure the kids are supervised.

I know this is not common with such groups but one of my favorite little spots is angle tarn near patterdale. One time I did a sneaky overnight there I spotted toilet paper dotted all around the area one such group is known to use a lot. The worst bit was toilet paper found with faeces right next to a stream feeding the tarn. That stream was the best water source in the area as it feeds the tarn not exit it and it doesn't have a path upstream. I could be wrong about it being this group but I've been up there before after they've been there and seen a similar mess. It's not the scouts BTW just to reassure the scout leaders on here (on ).

Also hate ppl who **** in snow right by the path. As the snow that covered it melts you get a turd that is frozen slowly reappearing. Nasty!

Also dog walkers collecting poop in bags then leaving them by the side of the path or worse tied to a tree branch at head height on a narrow path between walls so you can't avoid having to duck under the disintegrating bag!!!

 

[Bumbler]

Also dog walkers collecting poop in bags then leaving them by the side of the path or worse tied to a tree branch at head height on a narrow path between walls so you can't avoid having to duck under the disintegrating bag!!!

Dog owners do that over there too?

Seriously what is up with that? Why do they bother picking up the stuff, then tie, or simply throw it up into a tree?
Well, well, we have a nice little stretch of road here, which is closed for car traffick making our house the last one in a cul-de-sac.

That closed off area is ecellent for teaching kids how to ride a bike, and all sorts of street games. As it is a full sized road. Likewise it could be in winter as then they do not clean the snow appart from a
narrow strip as a walking path. But sadly the dog owners do NOT pick up the manure. So we can let the little ones play there, even supervised, as in winter, the stuff do not disappear....

 

[21st century pict]

Since some people decided to jump down my throat and put words in my mouth, and take me out of context, and not wanting to appear "contradictroy" so just to clarify the point Bushcrafting i.e. meaning Bushcraft as in the context of Bushcrafting for example on a Bushcraft Forum and not for example harvesting trees for,

(indoors in a fireplace)

Here are just a few images from yesterdays day out tracking in the woods to clarify what I meant by the wasteful cutting down of green or wet trees (regardless of the species) for firewood and a overnight camp.

50 foot Pine tree felled probably late last year not 6 foot from the fire place.

The tree lying over the Pine is only a recent wind toppled tree with some indications of harvesting.

Top of the 50" pine with only the small top most branches harvested for firewood. Apart from that the tree was completely unused. Remains of a blue tarp shelter in the background.



And its not as if there wasn’t enough firewood lying around already for an overnight’s camp.


And again,

And again.


I really don’t care if people cut down trees just as long as the wood doesn’t get wasted that's my point.

 

[Stringmaker]

I was on your side anyway, but that is awful.

The kind of people who do that just don't get the fact that they are despoiling the place. If it was already covered in tarps and fire scars they'd go "We aren't staying here, it's a dump!".

 

[Harvestman]

I was on your side anyway, but that is awful.

The kind of people who do that just don't get the fact that they are despoiling the place. If it was already covered in tarps and fire scars they'd go "We aren't staying here, it's a dump!".

Not quite. They find an undamaged bit nearby and destroy that in the same way. At least, that's my experience.

 

[Stringmaker]

Not quite. They find an undamaged bit nearby and destroy that in the same way. At least, that's my experience.

Yes I can believe that for sure.

 

[21st century pict]

This was originally the scout’s camp.
The Loch Lomond area is far worse.

 

[Stringmaker]

Is that a direct consequence of right to roam do you think?

 

[21st century pict]

The kind of people who do that just don't get the fact that they are despoiling the place. If it was already covered in tarps and fire scars they'd go "We aren't staying here, it's a dump!".

Not quite. They find an undamaged bit nearby and destroy that in the same way. At least, that's my experience.

You’re both quite right and its certainly true as a place becomes popular it just turns into a dump that's why I keep all the really nice camping areas hush hush now.

Is that a direct consequence of right to roam do you think?

Nope just a sign of the times.
As for the West Highland Way it just became a victim of its own popularity.

I do a bit of tracking and it’s not just the Neds, I have found wildlife photographers rubbish round bird hide. I was even working on a Wildlife reserve when a business man drove on to the reserve and dumped 4 or 5 bags of rubbish on the reserve. The best thing was because it all had his name and address on it, in the middle of the night my boss drove past his house and chucked it all back over his wall, he new it was us but what was he going to do, report us for returning his property.

 

[BenTheSweep]

Snobbery.

I would have put envy but as I am guilty of this I'm going to allow it.

 

[Stringmaker]

You’re both quite right and its certainly true as a place becomes popular it just turns into a dump that's why I keep all the really nice camping areas hush hush now.


Nope just a sign of the times.
As for the West Highland Way it just became a victim of its own popularity.

I do a bit of tracking and it’s not just the Neds, I have found wildlife photographers rubbish round bird hide. I was even working on a Wildlife reserve when a business man drove on to the reserve and dumped 4 or 5 bags of rubbish on the reserve. The best thing was because it all had his name and address on it, in the middle of the night my boss drove past his house and chucked it all back over his wall, he new it was us but what was he going to do, report us for returning his property.

Brilliant; that is the only way people like that can be made to understand.

A work colleague of mine followed a dog walker all the way to his house and spelt out similar consequences if the guy let his animal foul the pavement again.