I was asked earlier while chatting about bushcraft by a friend who is thinking of joining, he asked me if there was a substitute for tobaco in the wilds?. Thought I would ask you all as i could not answer him.
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Don
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Don
Tobacco substitute
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Tilia vulgaris the common lime produces flowers that are very good to smoke but please be aware that they are slightly soporofic. Well they can chill you out if you need chilled. In WW1, the German soldiers did not have access to the morphine that they needed so they used infusions of the flowers to help those with shell shock. For many years I've used many plants and my fav mix is lime flowers mixed with raspberry flowers, willow bark (Shaved-an ingredient of Native American Smoking mixtures) and mixed the whole lot in honey and dried very slowly on tinfoil under the grill. You can then add a tablespoon to hot water to drink as a relaxing tea or smoke it. There appears to be no ill effects from the tea (any smoke is bad for you), and it's very very nice. The honey acts as a binder if you snoke it and a sweetner if you make a tea. I'll send you some lime flowers if you want to make your own to try it?
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Hi Don
Dont know about in the UK but when I went on expedition to Bolivia all the locals chewed and brewed cocoa leaves. It helps them cope with the extreme atitudes and suppresses feelings of hunger and cold.
I was also reading recently that Fly Agaric is used by the Lapps as a hallucinogen. Tabacco seems quite tame compared to these!
Dont know about in the UK but when I went on expedition to Bolivia all the locals chewed and brewed cocoa leaves. It helps them cope with the extreme atitudes and suppresses feelings of hunger and cold.
I was also reading recently that Fly Agaric is used by the Lapps as a hallucinogen. Tabacco seems quite tame compared to these!
Hi Don
I was also reading recently that Fly Agaric is used by the Lapps as a hallucinogen. Tabacco seems quite tame compared to these!
DANGER! please be aware that although there was a huge culture of using fly agaric within the northern hemisphere, from berserking vikings drinking reindeer pee to wise women with small brushes painting lotions of fly agaric and pork fat into their loins...be aware that ingested directly will almost certainly cause you to become seriously ill and may be fatal in some cases. In every case you will suffer sever cramps vomitting as well as major hallucinations. It's very very dangerous.
Youre not wrong there John we got stopped at road blocks all the time, the first time the old guy only wanted a loaf of bread to let us through he was that poor. The next time the truck got pelted with rocks and some crazy fella had a stick of dynamite: Dont worry i ll pay the £2.00 toll!
Native plants that can be smoked as a tobacco alternative and are seldom used in herbal cigarettes are mugwort (otherwise known as 'poor man's bacci' and coltsfoot. There pretty rough though...not as smooth as virginia tobacco, etc...not by a long shot. But there good if you like blazing and you dont smoke tobacco.
You wouldnt get the nicotine satisfaction though. Best off just trying to quit all together or cutting down. Its all carcegenic at the end of the day so inhailing anything thats burning isnt good for you.
You wouldnt get the nicotine satisfaction though. Best off just trying to quit all together or cutting down. Its all carcegenic at the end of the day so inhailing anything thats burning isnt good for you.
I seem to remember bramble leafs and nettle leafs. Maybe the bramble leafs were just to create a smoke screen to keep insects away though.
Coltsfoot is the one most commonly used - almost all of the carcinogens, but none of the nicotine. Never could see the point myself.
I think you'll find that was coca leaves - ie the plant that you get cocaine from, not the plant you get chocolate from.
I think you'll find that was coca leaves - ie the plant that you get cocaine from, not the plant you get chocolate from.
I don't smoke but apparently a nice mix is: Coltsfoot (2 parts), Chammomile flowers (1/2), Thyme (1/2), Eyebright (1), Wood Betony (1) and Rosemary (1/2)
I don't know why that mix in particular, surely smoke tastes like smoke?
There is a herb called Lobelia inflata, known as Lobilia or Indian Tobacco, which herbalists use to help people quit smoking. It has a constituent called Lobelic acid which binds to the same receptors as tobacco. This herb can be very dangerous so I strongly suggest you avoid consuming it without a practitioners supervision and smoking it is out of the question. In fact even for practitioners its use is restricted, its an interesting plant though.
I don't know why that mix in particular, surely smoke tastes like smoke?
There is a herb called Lobelia inflata, known as Lobilia or Indian Tobacco, which herbalists use to help people quit smoking. It has a constituent called Lobelic acid which binds to the same receptors as tobacco. This herb can be very dangerous so I strongly suggest you avoid consuming it without a practitioners supervision and smoking it is out of the question. In fact even for practitioners its use is restricted, its an interesting plant though.
Not at all. There is a world of difference even between different varieties of tobacco, or even the same variety cured in different ways.
Yes indeed it is. Drum for example is cured in oak barrels I beleive, Lucky strike cigarettes are toasted and shisha tobacco is wet - soaked in molasses and fruit or other flavouring.
A substitute for tobacco in the wild is a home grown domesticated variety. Wouldn't recommend it, though. Too addictive.
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