To the total idiot who ruined my day

[British Red]

In fact, I'd go further, let everyone carrying a town passport pay a premium for coming into the country as I do every time I go shopping in a town.

Broch

Oh now you have a point there. In fact a great point. Townies...as the higher wage earners, should have to pay to park in the country.....country dwellers have to pay to park in towns...and the money goes to town councils. In fact, culchies should be able to impose a "rambling charge" ...the same as a congestion charge but imposed on townies!

Love it..what a great idea!!!!!!

Red

 

[BigShot]

Of course, if you wanted to make it like the congestion charges, you'd need to charge all the culchies to ramble too.

Price the poor (townie and culchie alike) back indoors and the great outdoors would be nice and quiet for the rich - just like the roads with congestion charging.

The idea of paying to leave a car at the side of the road is offensive anywhere though. I ONLY drive into the town centre on Sundays when the parking is free. I'd sooner go without whatever I was going to buy than pay to park. (I don't mind paid-for parking in actual car parks so much, but roadside charging I don't like.

 

[Broch]

That was the bit that got me.........it's a built in unfairness that doesn't sit well
Either no one with bags or everyone is allowed up.

Interestingly I can see no mention of the policy on the website

http://www.cairngormmountain.co.uk/see-do/funicular

cheers,
Toddy

I always assume there is a third truth with all these stories - how big were the other bags? were they walking bags or hand bags? were they dressed as walkers (back to the looks like a duck etc.)?

If they were big bags, why the individual selection? I doubt we will know unless we hear from the man himself - allways a third truth

 

[British Red]

Ahh but we will work it the other way.

Quadruple charges for silly little "Eurobox" cars since they aren't supposed to be driven more then 3 miles from a Starbucks

Complete exemption for all cars over 10 years old, 4x4s with mud on (AT or MT only)

Any car that parks in a gateway, on a verge obstructing working vehicles or anywhere that gets in the way of someone who lives here will get a "close encounter of the chain harrow" kind.

You do of course need a "hedgehog pass" to use a bus.

Red.

 

[Broch]

Ahh but we will work it the other way.

Quadruple charges for silly little "Eurobox" cars since they aren't supposed to be driven more then 3 miles from a Starbucks

Complete exemption for all cars over 10 years old, 4x4s with mud on (AT or MT only)

Any car that parks in a gateway, on a verge obstructing working vehicles or anywhere that gets in the way of someone who lives here will get a "close encounter of the chain harrow" kind.

You do of course need a "hedgehog pass" to use a bus.

Red.

We're getting somewhere here!

On top of that: people should be taxed for low miles 'cos they could have walked so country dwellers who have to drive get taxed less!

BCUK party for power!

If only we could all agree.

 

[Peterlee_Paddler]

"In fact, I'd go further, let everyone carrying a town passport pay a premium for coming into the country as I do every time I go shopping in a town."

'a town passport' ...
Don't go shopping in a town, then. Pay more at your local shop. Oh, you want to save money so you drive your car and shop in town?
If you check the govt. statistics I think you'll find that it is the 'townies' that subsidise the rural poll tax (or council tax as it is now called).
Without that, the non-townies would be paying a far higher premium.

"On top of that: people should be taxed for low miles 'cos they could have walked so country dwellers who have to drive get taxed less!"
Country dwellers DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE. They choose to live in the country. Ergo, they choose that lifestyle.

"Townies...as the higher wage earners, " no, not true for many of them. Country dwellers already have the money/land that 'townies' aspire to having.
"country dwellers have to pay to park in towns". Not when they're shopping at Asda they don't, ask your local shopkeeper. Oh, your local shopkeeper went out of business? You shouldn't have parked freely at Asda, then.

"and the money goes to town councils", correct. It also keeps the countryfolk tax on an even keel.

None of my above posting is rocket science, it's all just figures obtainable by simply accessing the govt. website.

Just to redress the balance, like































I may sound like a townie but facts are facts.

All said and done, I DO wish I lived in ruralshire

 

[British Red]

Trouble is I don't shop in towns (actually thats not a trouble its a joy).

However other services are "town only" - police stations, councils, hospitals etc.

If I ahve to pay to visit a council office, I can't see why the councillor I wanted to see shouldn't pay to visit the country

 

[Peterlee_Paddler]

Shopping in towns wasn't directed at you, it was just a generalisation. I only used terms and phrases that were mentioned on this site.
This govt. chooses to site police stations, councils, hospitals et al because of their need to serve the 'general' public. It's just how they see the need to spend the 'general' taxes.

"If I ahve to pay to visit a council office, I can't see why the councillor I wanted to see shouldn't pay to visit the country " Yeah, I missed that reasoning earlier. My 'local' coucillor has a private carpark that I have to pay 80p per hour to park in! Bat Fastard that he is

Cheers.

 

[phaserrifle]

'a town passport' ...
Don't go shopping in a town, then. Pay more at your local shop. Oh, you want to save money so you drive your car and shop in town?

all good, except some types of shops are only found in towns. your'e local butchers, bakers, greengrocers ect are all good, but if you need something more specialist, such as anything in the medium to large electronic bracket (computers, TVs, sound systems, I-pods, cameras ect), or parts/servicing on such items, you're in a bit of a swizz, and you have to either go into town, or attempt to order off the internet, which can be a little dodgy (reputable companies tend to work out more expensive than shopping in person, while others are a bit of a lucky dip). the same applies to alot of oudoor equipment, and entertainment products.

 

[Peterlee_Paddler]

"all good, except some types of shops are only found in towns." Correct, and a good analogy. But I'm only putting over the 'other' side that is not found on a forum such as this one. We tend to be one-sided.
Keep the comments coming, though. We live and learn.

 

[EdS]

and of course there are all the people living in towns that pay the taes and buy the produce that means some peole can kee pliving in the countryside.

Free countryside if you do not use money "donated" by townies via taxes or from buying produce and services (shoots etc).

 

[Broch]

Sorry guys and gals, I did have my tongue firmly in my cheek when I posted - the truth is the rural economy relies on people coming out of the towns. I really was only playing devil's advocate!

But interesting responses

 

[BigShot]

I dunno if anyone's noticed... but the shops country types have to pay-to-park at are also pay-to-park for the vast majoirty of town types too. Public transport here is unsafe, expensive, unreliable and impractical which leaves you with cars, particularly if you're going to buy expensive electronics our outdoors gear cos noone in their right mind would take that kind of stuff on public transport if they had a choice.

If you're going to supermarkets, retail parks, computer shops, white goods shops and the like you'll inevitably have free parking. Ditto with police. Everyone pays to park at hospitals. Everyone pays to park for visiting the beast's lair (sorry - council offices).

I know all of this is in jest for some (and a bit too serious for others) but some people seem to be missing those points either way.

Truth be told I don't really care and would sooner see paid parking at hospitals and roadside abolished completely.

Have fun kids.

 

[British Red]

The rural dweller may depend on towns. But not half as much as the towns depend on the country!

I wonder who would live longest without the other?

(tongue still in cheek)

Red

 

[BigShot]

Well, some of us have allotments...

...I mean, I'm still on the sodding waiting list for mine but that's not the point. Haha.


I was thinking about this recently actually - WT****... the supermarkets empty, petrol runs out and society collapses - how long would it take for people to steal all the food from an allotment? Not ideal to be relying on one of those at TEOTWAWKI (in this case the countryside declaring independance from the cities) - haha.
Further to that - what a waste it'd be - they ignorant buggers would be ripping up everything before it was ready for harvest.
It makes me mad just to think about it. GOT OFF MY ALLOTMENT!!!
Oh yea - I don't have one.
I'm stuffed either way.
Haha.


EDIT
Wow - I can't believe that's a censored phrase.
In case it's not clear with the * added - something about a fan being hit.

 

[smoggy]

Interesting.....I've never been to the location of the original posting but if I had been walking/camping in the area and had decided to visit the restuarant mentioned I would not have been happy if I was stopped from accessing it simply because I was carrying a rucksack.........I would have insisted that I be shown the restriction in writing.
Either way I would have still insisted on taking the train, but offering to leave my bag behind at secure storage....If this could not be provided then his only recourse would have been to accept that given the fact I was happy to leave my bag would be deemed as sufficient proof that I had only intended by his standards visiting the restaurant as I would have previously explained. He would then have two options, let me travel or call the police.

Smoggy

 

[Native Nathan]

I thought rules were designed to PROTECT PEOPLE, not endager them.

By not letting a man, woman or child carry a bag of potentially life saving equipment with them in that environment IS ENDAGERING THEM...

But what would I know i'm just a run of the mill everyday sane person.

 

[Tadpole]

He would then have two options, let me travel or call the police.

Smoggy

Nope sorry, it's not his job to provide storage for you. He's done his job, stopped [you] the person from taking a rucksack to the summit/restaurant. Your job is to either leave, or protest. Once you have protested, you have two choices either leave or protest. After that he will call management or the police, who will, having gone this route many times, ask you to leave. Or nick you, for any one of a dozen things, "acting in a disorderly manner that disturbed the peace"
to common assault whilst resisting arrest.

I thought rules were designed to PROTECT PEOPLE, not endager them.

By not letting a man, woman or child carry a bag of potentially life saving equipment with them in that environment IS ENDAGERING THEM...

But what would I know i'm just a run of the mill everyday sane person.

The point is to stop people from walking off the mountain, any sane person would think "I don't have my gear with me, so I'll not walks down." The actions of anyone insane enough to break the law and endanger themselves, despite being warned that they are endangering themselves by going in to wild places ill-equipped, are unpredictable, and unfortunately beyond the mandated of the legal system. You can not protect a fool from harming himself.