Titanium Grill

sunndog

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65 dollars is a bit steep eh, 12 quid is expensive since it doesn't even have legs Imo

What was that little german grill? Single leg thing like those forged items you always see at shows, but backpack friendly
 
Jul 30, 2012
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It is called business. You would be surprised at what things you see in the shops cost from the factory.
Yes but what they ship from China including your postage is still far beneath the 2000%the proud lady rips people off to. I understand they have to factor things like business premises losses staff etc but 2000 percent is a con trick and nothing more.
 

aris

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Yes but what they ship from China including your postage is still far beneath the 2000%the proud lady rips people off to. I understand they have to factor things like business premises losses staff etc but 2000 percent is a con trick and nothing more.

The stuff shipped from China from AliExpress comes through subsidized shipping, no import duties or vat being paid either. That makes it cheap. They don't pay for premesis, insurance, business rates, 1st world wages, etc etc.
 

aris

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If you are interested - some idea of what Chinese sellers do - and how it is killing UK sellers:


Anything which comes into the UK with a value lower than £15 is exempt from VAT. It is exempt from duties if under £135 - but duties are typically very very low (single digit %) compared to the 20% VAT. Of course, even if the item is more than £15 - it is given a low value on the customs declaration so nobody pays any vat or duties. A large importer would be paying duties, and the VAT. yes, then can claim some of that back once sold on - but tax is still being paid.

Until one has actually run a business themselves in the UK - they have no idea of what the costs are. We won't even go into business rates - basically a tax on having a business premesis (similar to council tax) but for which you get nothing back for.
 
Jul 30, 2012
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If you are interested - some idea of what Chinese sellers do - and how it is killing UK sellers:


Anything which comes into the UK with a value lower than £15 is exempt from VAT. It is exempt from duties if under £135 - but duties are typically very very low (single digit %) compared to the 20% VAT. Of course, even if the item is more than £15 - it is given a low value on the customs declaration so nobody pays any vat or duties. A large importer would be paying duties, and the VAT. yes, then can claim some of that back once sold on - but tax is still being paid.

Until one has actually run a business themselves in the UK - they have no idea of what the costs are. We won't even go into business rates - basically a tax on having a business premesis (similar to council tax) but for which you get nothing back for.
Whilst that practice is bad, and I'm sure they are also subsidised in China,

Amazon and eBay have made it extremely easy for Chinese Retailers to sell directly to UK consumers on their platforms. Chinese Retailers can now offer 7 day delivery times from China. Chinese retailers now account for 25% of all the retailers on these platforms. They are now taking the lion share of sales, undercutting UK retailers by as much as 90%. British retailers don’t stand a chance.

100 percent is 2 pounds, stick another quid on for government subsidies ie import tax tarrifs for non trading agreement nations, that's still 3 quid, not 20. Prices are being driven up by dilution of brand like trangia and primus being copied on their IP, yet its perfectly fine to import things in bulk with duties paid and carriage and then charge 2000 percent. If business rates are a problem the business model is wrong, not enough turn over too smaller market etc.
 

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Guys, please be mindful that the thread is about Titanium Grill conversation stuff, conversations about business structures, costs, markups, taxes etc work well in 'Other Chatter'
Thanks ;)
 
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