Swedish ww2 Parker

[decorum]

The M59 uniform had a "beaver tail" in the back of the field jacket, that would connect to buttons in the front. >>><<< Could the Livpäls have had a similar feature?

Nope, no beavertail. Nor any sign of it ever having had one.

Would mean you could spot remnants of the flap somewhere in the rear. Maybe buttons in the back?

Having had to redo the buttons up the front, there are red placement dots for each one. No buttons on the rear of the coat, and no dots.

Regarding what the garment is designed for, I figure stationary guard duty, more than activities like riding, but I'm not an expert.

I'm starting to think that the length doesn't lend itself to sitting on a horse. And there's no way you wouldn't be sitting on it else it'd be rucked up behind and rub. Not good!

I have, however found a pic depicting a shorter version being worn on a horse ... (EDIT: Obviously an earlier uniform series, just using the pic as an example that the Swede Army had used a shorter garment of a similar type to the one in question)

Looks like a roll front and back of the rider ~ it could be artistic license but too many other and smaller, details seem to be correct

I must confess I'm a bit envious now... If that is real sheepskin. I would probably live in that jacket. Maybe even change my adress to it

Oh, believe me it's really real sheep skin. When in the up the thick Mouton collar muffles sound


5Kg of windproof toasty warmth

And given the layers it was intended to be worn over ... you'd be a mini furnace! :yikes:

Is there a split in the behind bottom of the jacket?

Single split. I'd kind of expect a double split on a riding jacket

The button concept could be for riding, as already suggested, but it is not a good idea to lift the jacket off the saddle like this in bad weather. >>><<< few things are worse than hours in a saddle sitting on a wet "sponge" of leather and fabric *deleting memories*

As mentioned above, I've gone off the idea of it being for use on a horse, the ergonomics are wrong for it to be an effective garment for that purpose ~ but only because of the length, if they were ever in use as shown in the top pic of this post, then I can see the benefit.

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Indeed Though it might be Type III Fun



Having done a bit more searching on what kit went before and might have inspired the design ...

The Swede Army had used something *similar* for centuries. Plain old pinning up to allow you to move your knees/legs more easily ~ after all, sometimes sentries need to react effectively . Historically the way it's set up would also allow for temperature control (layering up). In both pics shown below you might notice that the front is pinned round and onto the coat tail. The bottom pic seems to show a side split too. Could these coats also be pinned on the inner to make 'trouser, I wonder? ~ the German Fallschirmjager had smocks which did and a lot of many and varied Zelt-type poncho utilised by their nation's armed forces were designed/intended to have the sides buttoned to form legs ...

Pic from here ~ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comme...ar_with_nigel_farage/?st=izu0gsqc&sh=87f4b098

By Gustaf Cederström - date 1900 - http://www.nationellidag.se/visa/default.asp?dokID=1046 Korset och värjan 2012-05-27, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=19610936


Bit of a long post, sorry

 

[Janne]

The roll behind the rider is the bed roll, the smaller (two, one of each side) contain equipment. Cup, spoon, fork, personal stuff, ammo. Some clothes too.

The length if the front is buttoned up is fine riding a horse. Yes it will cover a bit of the horses back, but that is good.

With a full battle uniform, with all winter layers, plus this coat, it still got cold when it was -30 and colder.. Trust me on that.

The uniforms in the first pic are not that old, they were designed in the early 1900's , so contemporary with your coat!
The Swedish army was totally unprepared for WW2, and some soldiers were equipped with those uniforms, or parts of it, all through the war.

When I was serving, the main battle uniform was the M59F.
We also used parts of M39 and M58.
We had a white sheepskin cap that looked like it belonged to your coat, but had the fur on the outside. As it fitted very badly under the hood of the snow dress, we did not use it much. Only the poor sods standing guarding the gates did.
Mittens - same design as your coat. Felt boots - age? They were warm though.
I served 1979-82.

As I was ( still am, technically) an officer in a Cavallry unit I had to be able to ride. We were given riding lessons, a couple of times did sit on a horse dressed in the WW2 era stuff on Parades.

(I never liked horses, still do not do. Front part bites, rear end kicks and the bulk in between smells bad!)

Remember that a winter coat just as the other uniforms was a little bit different for the Infantry and Cavalry.

I wonder if you could do some "experimental bushcrafting" and go to the nearest riding school and try it out on a horse?

 

[decorum]

The roll behind the rider is the bed roll, the smaller (two, one of each side) contain equipment.

I'd figured the bed roll at the rear, the kit bags isn't as obvious ~ is that a spare boot or shoe between the roll/sack and the straps?

Interesting leather gaiters too ~ far easier (and cheaper) to make than than the boots would be (Far easier to put on and take off too! )

With a full battle uniform, with all winter layers, plus this coat, it still got cold when it was -30 and colder.. Trust me on that.

Oh, I believe and trust. It's what a lot of us civvies miss when military temperature rating are used ~ -30C with this, and this, and this, and this ... oh and alive enough to function in the morning is a bonus! ('Comfort rating' versus 'not dead yet').

 

[Janne]

you have sharp eyes!
yes, it looks like a boot/shoe.

The latest uniform for cavallery was the M59.
The boots we used during horsemanship were what we had, RedWing Red Setters in my case. In fact that saved my foot, as the steel toe cap protected it when the goddamn thing stepped on it.
Summertime I believe they wore knee high boots of summer grade thickness.
Wintertime I imagine the boots were thick and padded and had to be shorter so you could take them on, hence the leather gaiters.

My units last horse was shot just before I started, maybe -77? He was a fully war trained beast, but only used on parades, the Regimental CO used to sit on him on parades and morning assemblies.
Was stuffed and in a display case outside the officers mess.

My unit had a different traditional way to toast. Fully sanctioned.
First toast is done standing up beside the table, one foot on the chair - "To the Horse!"
Second one both feet on floor - "To the King"
Third one sitting down on the chair - "To the Woman"

 

[sunndog]

Some damn fine lookin coats on this threac

 

[decorum]

you have sharp eyes!
yes, it looks like a boot/shoe.

Yes, I have

The Gaiters were throwing me a bit. I've seen plenty of leather gaiters which are superficially similar to these but not with the bindings depicted in that first pic ~ they very obviously have a short band across the opening at the top but the binding strap then spirals in the opposite direction. Judging by the lines, they've got summer weight on in the pic.

Two slightly different styles are shown in this Etsy listing (not mine and I didn't look to see whose ...) provide answers . Nice brass retainer hook to stop the leather rolling at the top corner

(One less spiral than in the pic and without a further delve, I've no idea of the country of origin)

(Pic from here ~ https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/270051828/antique-leather-riding-shin-guards-wwi?ref=market)

The latest uniform for cavallery was the M59.
The boots we used during horsemanship were what we had, RedWing Red Setters in my case. In fact that saved my foot, as the steel toe cap protected it when the goddamn thing stepped on it.
Summertime I believe they wore knee high boots of summer grade thickness.
Wintertime I imagine the boots were thick and padded and had to be shorter so you could take them on, hence the leather gaiters.

A radical change in heels then! :yikes: (High heels originally being a male thing and for horse riding, at that)

Years ago I decided that the horse was the maddest beast on the planet. Not so much 'The lights are on but no one's at home!' More a 'The lights are on and five families are vying for attention!'.

Was stuffed and in a display case outside the officers mess.

Just the horse, right?

My unit had a different traditional way to toast. Fully sanctioned.
First toast is done standing up beside the table, one foot on the chair - "To the Horse!"
Second one both feet on floor - "To the King"
Third one sitting down on the chair - "To the Woman"

Which specific woman? Or was it in recognition to women in general?

 

[Janne]

Top notch. Had I been living in Sweden, I would have one of those.

The stuffed horse ( forgot the name) was in full war equipment. In another case was the equipment the squadron furrier ( correct name?) had to carry.
Amazing stuff, all hand made by him. Tongs, hammers, everything.

The normal boots we had, Army or civilian, had a heel about 1.5 cm high.
I was one of the idiots that was qualified for parachute jumping. Had to wear special heel less boots. And a naff helmet. we were allowed to ditch the boots and take on our normal boots, but not the helmet, do not know why.


It was a toast to all women. We used to joke that looks and age did not matter after 3 weeks in the bush.....

The officers that were old enough to experience horses in our unit told us it was hell.
The unit tried Reindeer in the mid 70's but it did not work.
We had BV 202 to shift the heavy supplies to the area of operations and one man and two man pulks for moving it to our designated platoon areas.

 

[decorum]

The stuffed horse ( forgot the name) was in full war equipment. In another case was the equipment the squadron furrier ( correct name?) had to carry.
Amazing stuff, all hand made by him. Tongs, hammers, everything.

Farriers. A very skilled job, people tend to think they just fit horse shoes :yikes:

The normal boots we had, Army or civilian, had a heel about 1.5 cm high.
I was one of the idiots that was qualified for parachute jumping. Had to wear special heel less boots. And a naff helmet. we were allowed to ditch the boots and take on our normal boots, but not the helmet, do not know why.

Ah, just had a thought ~ when you say 'civilian' do you mean 'Civilian Defence Force'? Man, that blue! :yikes: Punishment for not going to the army?

Strange how the heels have lowered over the years (centuries)

It was a toast to all women. We used to joke that looks and age did not matter after 3 weeks in the bush.....

Equality in action, I guess

The officers that were old enough to experience horses in our unit told us it was hell.
The unit tried Reindeer in the mid 70's but it did not work.

Horses can seem sensible at a distance.

We had BV 202 to shift the heavy supplies to the area of operations and one man and two man pulks for moving it to our designated platoon areas.

On occasion I've seen them rush about, here and there. I'm guessing that it's more fun when playing than when used utilitarian.

 

[Janne]

Our unit was one of the few where ladies could not join.

With civilian boots I mean the higher quality and better fit boots we bought in shops. Most bought Lundhags, including me, but I melted mine so I bought the RedWings.
Still have those, on the third sole, but have to retire them as they are too heavy for my knee.
They were frightfully expensive. But I made good money, some tax free. lots of extra payments in that unit.
The "Dad's Army" guys wore the same equipment as the Army, but usually one generation older.

 

[decorum]

You edited in more and very useful, information!

The roll behind the rider is the bed roll, the smaller (two, one of each side) contain equipment. Cup, spoon, fork, personal stuff, ammo. Some clothes too.

Basically the cavalry carry version of the tornister set up shown in the first pic?

The length if the front is buttoned up is fine riding a horse. Yes it will cover a bit of the horses back, but that is good.

That surprises me ~ but then I guess the canvas becomes less rigid with a bit of use.

The uniforms in the first pic are not that old, they were designed in the early 1900's , so contemporary with your coat!
The Swedish army was totally unprepared for WW2, and some soldiers were equipped with those uniforms, or parts of it, all through the war.

Not that old but, as with a lot of military uniforms, 'antiquated in some of the reasoning in their design (High and restrictive collars to make you hold your head proud and look smarter ). Other than losing the pocket the uniform jacket doesn't look too dissimilar to the M36 version. I have an M36 and an M42 (both modified to M39/58). Visually similar from the back but a very different design and fit |~ the 36 is far more of a 'tailored' fit in keeping with the first pic.

When I was serving, the main battle uniform was the M59F.
We also used parts of M39 and M58.

I'm fond of my M39/58 BUT I can see why those who relied on them long term would be glad to be shot of them. (Lots of issues can be overlooked when you aren't overloaded, over tired and have the choice to use whatever you want)

I make use of a modded M40 and a modded M62 snow smock/blouse. Quite useful for U.K camp chores when you respect their individual pro's and con's

We had a white sheepskin cap that looked like it belonged to your coat, but had the fur on the outside. As it fitted very badly under the hood of the snow dress, we did not use it much. Only the poor sods standing guarding the gates did.

I've come across two types (so far)

One is referred to as Palsmossa M1909 (palsmossa translating as 'fur hat'. Who'd have thought it? ) I can imagine it being an interesting experience having that hat hooded :yikes:

Pic (and further pics and info) here ~ http://sharky-fourbees.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/swedish-army-winter-hat-sheeps-wool.html (only fair to give credit)

And this type, which I've yet to find a designation for ~ which looks like a someone smashed a forage/side cap into a Karpus

Pic (and additional pics) from here ~ https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/511707879/swedish-army-hat-from-wwii-arctic-wool?ref=market (no connections, but it's only fair to give credit)

(EDIT: The above link doesn't want to go to the item/seller ~ for visible fairness, the item description/title is 'Swedish Army Hat from WWII - Arctic Wool And Sheepskin - Size 57' and the seller is 'BirchallHawke'. This is not an advert for them. nor is it a recommendation. I just feel it only fair to credit them with the info ~ what with having nicked their pic and all )

I've also seen the naval version of the above, 2nd, pic ~ which I would have snapped up if they weren't all so danged small

General info (Janne and others will already know) ~ Both types are designed to use the peak or to tuck up and away in a little pocket.

Mittens - same design as your coat. Felt boots - age? They were warm though.

I might need to research those mitts!

Felt boots. I wish I had even the remotest chance of needing some.

As I was ( still am, technically) an officer in a Cavallry unit I had to be able to ride. We were given riding lessons, a couple of times did sit on a horse dressed in the WW2 era stuff on Parades.

(I never liked horses, still do not do. Front part bites, rear end kicks and the bulk in between smells bad!)

Horses are the worlds most bonkers beast! Well, as far as human interactions go. I don't do horses! :yikes:

Remember that a winter coat just as the other uniforms was a little bit different for the Infantry and Cavalry.

I noticed that with my M42 jacket. Nicely and fully, lined.

I wonder if you could do some "experimental bushcrafting" and go to the nearest riding school and try it out on a horse?

I could but getting to the local riding schools would be ... interesting. Not impossible but, for the moment, impractical.

Your previous mention of attempting to use reindeer in place of horses. It seems that, way back when, the powers that be looked at moose too and decided they were 'too smart' for warfare

Historic ~ http://stockholm.headsaflamemedia.c...-the-swedish-cavalry-experimented-with-moose/

It seems the Russians tried harder and for longer ... and then gave up too ~ http://stockholm.headsaflamemedia.c...-the-swedish-cavalry-experimented-with-moose/

 

[Janne]

Yes, the Cavalry had similar stuff.
You should know that the people that were officers and soldiers in the old cavallry were from aristocratic or well to do families ( land owners, landed gentry) and they got own equipment that looked like the standard, but of better quality and made to measure.
Even in my days several of my colleagues, and the soldiers, had names that everybody recognised.
Not me though... immigrant boy from the Eastern Bloc.

But the traditional relaxed views of the source of the equipment was still there.
Most of us, officers and soldiers, had private shoes, boots, Helly Hansen fleece sweaters, caps, balaclavas, knives, binoculars, compasses. Back pack systems, drinking flasks. I carried my own sidearm, a Ruger .357 Magnum.

The only requirement was that the stuff should be non glossy, green or brown.
My RedWings were orange brown, more orange than brown. I had to brown them down by infusing melted brown shopolish, and show them to the Squadron CO to be aporovrd.

The cap with the cockade had one extra, cool function: you could flip down the furry parts to cover your ears and forehead.
You model the visor one almost correctly, it should go further down over the ears. But your way will be more aporopiate for the British climate!

The Armed forces worldwide seem to be slow in changing. It took the Brits several wars to stop advancing on a line. To get uniforms that blended in.

For example, that wonderful sheepskin lined coat in this thread, was / is grey. Should be white as snow is white, right?
But it had to match the grey uniform.
Sure, a horse and rider in full whack is very visible, could be dressed in shocking pink with black dots, would not matter much, but it was designed grey to blend in with the shadow under the trees where the troop eaited before the attack.

I tried the latest Swedish battle dress ( M90) but did not like the material.
Not many people are aware of this, but the trousers and tunic of the M59F ( F as in Fält = Field) came in two different qualities.
One for the enlisted guys, made of a fairly thick, flat/matt cotton, and one for us officers made in a thinner, glossier cotton. It also had a tighter weave.
It was nicer to wear, and looked fantastic, but had the negative that the trousers did not ventilate as well as the standard. I got an skin infection on my scrotum a couple of times, until an older colleague told me to get an extra pair with a ventilation slit just below the fly made by one of the girls that did our washing.
One trouser for regimet duty, one for the field.
I think that the designer of certain ladies underwear was an officer from my unit......

The M59F Vindrock ( wind coat) was the modern version of these old coats. Green fabric, green synthetic fur inside. Good down to maybe -25 C. One negative was that the fur burnt really easily.
There was a winter cap from the same stuff. Equally crap, the moisture in the breath froze in the "fur".
The beginning of the first winter I got badly frost bitten on my ears, nose and cheeks.
I started using a white silk balaclava after that, under a white knitted woolen beanie.


The mittens were fantastic. Clumsy but warm. We also had to carry a thinner pair of knitted mittens, with a hole for the trigger finger. Outside those we wore a thin white leather mitten, again with a hole for the trigger finger.

The felt boots were incredibly thick and warm. Could only be worn in many Minus below freezing as the soles were thick felt too.
Get them wet and they became unusable. We stored them outside the tent or shelter.

Intersting that more countries tried reindeer and even moose! Did not know that!
So everybody failed. The guys that tried to handle the reindeer were Same soldiers. The Same use Reindeer in front of large pulks, but apparently they are too wild to controll in a proper way.

The horses were trained to be silent, and to be ok under gun fire and explosions, something the reindeer ( and moose) will not do.

Horses rut too, hence they only used males. Plus they are stronger.

 

[decorum]

... You should know that the people that were officers and soldiers in the old cavallry were from aristocratic or well to do families ( land owners, landed gentry) and they got own equipment that looked like the standard, but of better quality and made to measure.

Historically it was pretty much the same here. You, generally, bought your commission. During WWI there were many who purchased Chamois under wear ~ even some rank and file did so too

But the traditional relaxed views of the source of the equipment was still there.
Most of us, officers and soldiers, had private shoes, boots, Helly Hansen fleece sweaters, caps, balaclavas, knives, binoculars, compasses. Back pack systems, drinking flasks. I carried my own sidearm, a Ruger .357 Magnum.

Again, similar seems to have happened over here ~ there are some nice WWI officer's personal stove and cook sets that pop every so often. I don't know whether I'd like to find a 'pre-owned' version of the below though :yikes:

Link ~ http://www.oldmagazinearticles.com/article-summary/american_army_underwear_for_ww1

The cap with the cockade had one extra, cool function: you could flip down the furry parts to cover your ears and forehead.
You model the visor one almost correctly, it should go further down over the ears. But your way will be more aporopiate for the British climate!

The pics aren't mine, nor of me. It's probably that he got the largest size he could, hence it being high up .

I've only ever found the one Palsmossa. Far too small for me, not that we get sufficiently cold weather

Same goes for the cockade hat, all those I've found are much too small. And I have a feeling they might not suit me anyway (Again, nice to have a choice)

The Armed forces worldwide seem to be slow in changing. It took the Brits several wars to stop advancing on a line. To get uniforms that blended in.

The blessings of entrenched thought and having enough at the bottom to be able to throw them into the meat grinder .

For example, that wonderful sheepskin lined coat in this thread, was / is grey. Should be white as snow is white, right?
But it had to match the grey uniform.
Sure, a horse and rider in full whack is very visible, could be dressed in shocking pink with black dots, would not matter much, but it was designed grey to blend in with the shadow under the trees where the troop eaited before the attack.

That makes sense. I'd wondered about the use of grey in the various uniform patterns, it's not as if you can't dye wool. And, as with most armies, Sweden has used some impractically bright colours in their past uniforms.

I tried the latest Swedish battle dress ( M90) but did not like the material.
Not many people are aware of this, but the trousers and tunic of the M59F ( F as in Fält = Field) came in two different qualities.
One for the enlisted guys, made of a fairly thick, flat/matt cotton, and one for us officers made in a thinner, glossier cotton. It also had a tighter weave.
It was nicer to wear, and looked fantastic, but had the negative that the trousers did not ventilate as well as the standard. I got an skin infection on my scrotum a couple of times, until an older colleague told me to get an extra pair with a ventilation slit just below the fly made by one of the girls that did our washing.
One trouser for regimet duty, one for the field.
I think that the designer of certain ladies underwear was an officer from my unit......

I have a couple of pairs of M59 trousers. IIRC they were made after your service period. Heavy Poly-cotton and very useful for what I do ~ the baggy thighs and upper legs are a definitely needed design feature!

Crotch-rot is not a fun thing!

The M59F Vindrock ( wind coat) was the modern version of these old coats. Green fabric, green synthetic fur inside. Good down to maybe -25 C. One negative was that the fur burnt really easily.
There was a winter cap from the same stuff. Equally crap, the moisture in the breath froze in the "fur".

I've not been overly impressed by the M59 coats/jackets, but I do have a fondness for the M59 two button shirt.

The beginning of the first winter I got badly frost bitten on my ears, nose and cheeks.
I started using a white silk balaclava after that, under a white knitted woolen beanie.

Fortunately we rarely get temperatures low enough to get much more than frost nip. I do use the old trick of taking a supply of water into my sleeping bag to make sure I have some liquid in the morning. Only once or twice has it been cold enough to cause me to jettison it (the water was going to ice slush and severely cooling my core ... major not good!)

The mittens were fantastic. Clumsy but warm. We also had to carry a thinner pair of knitted mittens, with a hole for the trigger finger. Outside those we wore a thin white leather mitten, again with a hole for the trigger finger.

Sounds like a good/effective layering system.

The felt boots were incredibly thick and warm. Could only be worn in many Minus below freezing as the soles were thick felt too.
Get them wet and they became unusable. We stored them outside the tent or shelter.

They'd be a nightmare in the U.K

Intersting that more countries tried reindeer and even moose! Did not know that!
So everybody failed. The guys that tried to handle the reindeer were Same soldiers. The Same use Reindeer in front of large pulks, but apparently they are too wild to controll in a proper way.

The horses were trained to be silent, and to be ok under gun fire and explosions, something the reindeer ( and moose) will not do.

Horses rut too, hence they only used males. Plus they are stronger.

Good logic with an inability to execute into practice

 

[Janne]

The two button ( metal buttons on most, plastic on some) undershirt/shirt was not part of the M59F. Not sure which uniform generation it brlonged to. We used them too, I still have some. Cimfortable, warm.

Made from a weird weave, grey fabric .

Do you use the leather straps with two loose metal hooks, with your 59 trousers?

Chamois is wonderful. I used to do long range cyckling, and had stretchy shorts with a padded chamois inner. Plenty of Vaseline between the cheeks and on bum to prevent chafing.

Colours were used to prevent Friendly Fire.
In WW2 FF was unususl, as the Germans had a distinct colour, Field Grey.
Today only the rag and beard shows who the enemy is!

 

[Janne]

http://www.kvibergsoverskott.se/web...page=flypage.tpl&product_id=270&category_id=9
This! Belongs to M39

The cockade cap belongs to M42.
Pic does not show??

 

[Arya]

A lot of interesting information in this thread!
I sense a small aversion towards horses though &#128514;

 

[decorum]

The two button ( metal buttons on most, plastic on some) undershirt/shirt was not part of the M59F. Not sure which uniform generation it brlonged to. We used them too, I still have some. Cimfortable, warm.

I have one, the winter weight wool one ~ I keep my eye out for another, but I can get a few days away in without ponging too much

But that wasn't the shirt I was referring to, this one is

Pic from here ~ http://www.militarymart.co.uk/swedish-army-m59-grandad-shirt-bushcraft-vintage.html (not a recommendation, just the first one I found)

Some are definitely cotton, some are poly-cotton.

Made from a weird weave, grey fabric .

The 'waffle weave' to increase surface area and aid drying. I'd spotted one or two and wondered whether to get them.
But as I mentioned above, the winter weight wool version is brilliant ~ well, for my use anyway

Winter weight M39

Pic from here ~ https://www.goldingsurplus.co.uk/products/swedish-grandad-shirt (just a link to the first link, not a recommendation)


And a 'summer waffle' M39

Pic 2 from here ~ https://www.goldingsurplus.co.uk/products/swedish-grandad-shirt (not a recommendation, just a fair play credit)

Do you use the leather straps with two loose metal hooks, with your 59 trousers?

They got removed and binned in quick order! The ones on my 39/58's are sewn in and were 'heavily modified'* to make sure they didn't poke and interfer with comfort

* With a lump hammer.

Chamois is wonderful. I used to do long range cyckling, and had stretchy shorts with a padded chamois inner. Plenty of Vaseline between the cheeks and on bum to prevent chafing.

Good stuff, isn't it!

Periodically I look at that ad and wonder about making a set up. It wouldn't be exactly comparable but it would be interesting to see how they fare when I'm away for a week and unable to easily bathe fully or properly

Colours were used to prevent Friendly Fire.

Back when battles took place only during the daylight hours.

A lot of interesting information in this thread!
I sense a small aversion towards horses though &#62978;

Truly bonkers beasts!

That said, travelling on horseback is there on my list


(Doesn't stop the beast being bonkers though! )

 

[Arya]

Bonkers? I'm sure I have no idea what you are talking about &#128514;

 

[decorum]

Arya, the pic links are showing as broken ~ for me at least

 

[Leshy]

Bonkers? I'm sure I have no idea what you are talking about &#128514;

Brilliant !!!&#128516;&#128514;

 

[Arya]

Arya, the pic links are showing as broken ~ for me at least

Hm... I just uploaded them via Tapatalk. But they are not broken links to everyone, so I don't teally know what I did wrong? Are you reading the post from you computer, or your phone?
Sometimes when I read a post from my phone, I also see pictures only as broken links.