Striking sparks with quartz

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Have any of you ever used quartz instead of flint for striking sparks from steel. I have read that it is possible. Is it any different? My area is covered in quartz but I haven't ever found flint in the wild here. I would love to incorporate flint and steel here. Is there any special technique to using quartz? Mac
 
I have used quartz with a steel to get fire, lighting charcloth. It take a bit longer and you have to strike a little harder, but it works well enough.

On PatrickM's course recently we tried flint, quartz and marble - all worked, though flint was easiest IME. A lot of the success seems to be down to the quality of your steel.
 
I have used nodules of Quartzite off the local beaches.
The sparks are fewer and smaller than those I have had from flint but still catch on charcloth quite nicely.
 
The "quality" of quartz varies a lot.

The stuff around me is soft enough to almost crumble in your hands. So it does not work well or at all to strike sparks with a flint striker. But some early French explorers up in Canada found outcroppings of quartz hard enough that they mistook them for diamonds. Only after they sent back news and samples of their great discovery was it found out that they had just found HARD quartz - not diamonds. It turned into something of a slang term/phrase - to call something of poor quality "as good as a New France Diamond"! (or "as good as a Canadian diamond" - but there actually are true diamonds in Canada. Just not what those guys had found.)

What you are trying to do is use a hard/sharp edge on your stone to chip/dig out little bits of the steel from your flint striker. The energy you put into chipping/digging out those little bits of hardened steel heats them up enough that the carbon in the steel burns. That's the sparks you see.

Flint just works better. You can get a sharper edge from flint, and it is stronger and last longer in use than with other types of stone. But you can still get sparks using other types of stone. The sharp edges just tend to crumble faster in use. You can use granite, slate, chirt/chert, agate, jade, marble, fossilized wood/bone, and most any other stone. Flint just works better - with a thinner and harder sharp edge.

Hope this helps.

Mikey - yee ol' grumpy blacksmith out in the Hinterlands
 
Thanks, That helps alot. This past week I was out in the bush and just on a whim I tried to get sparks up with quartz off the back of my machete. It was pretty bright out but I could have sworn I got some color out of the effort. I didn't have any charcloth prepared. We have hard quartz here and it isn't hard to smash a lump and get a sharp edge. I've made rudimentary "knives" this way before. There's quartz all over though and it would be one more technique to add to the list if I can make it work reliably. I will definetely pursue this one. Mac
 
My recent experience mirrors a lot of what has been said already.
In that quartz works as well as flint, but is apt to crumble a lot sooner than an equivalent flint edge. I've also found it nearly impossible to knap a new surface onto a quartz flake once it has become too blunt to use. Though I am speaking of surface collected, golf-ball sized, Welsh Mountain quartz - certainly nothing special but its good to know that it is possible to use it for fire lighting.

ATB

Ogri the trog
 
Acouple of years ago I did a demonstration for some Cub Scouts on fire starting methods and we caught sparks from assorted rocks mostly garnite and quartz using a file and cotton balls.
 
The Bryant and May Museum of Fire-Making Appliances: Catalogue of the Exhibits published in 1926 lists "THE QUARTZITE-AND-IRON" method of fire starting.

"A method allied to, but distinct from, Flint-and-Steel Method was that which involved the use of a block of quartzite and a pointed piece of soft iron. These yielded sparks when struck together. The method came into use in comparatively recent times and was never wide-spread, having never been practised outside the Scandinavian countries; where, for centuries, it was used very generally."

I haven't tried it. I'm still looking for some HARD quartz. The stuff around me is too soft to even get sparks from a fully heat-treated high carbon flint striker. I might have to go to a rock-shop to get some. I need to see if/how this method works.

Just another little historical ... um ... sidetrack.

Mikey - yee ol' grumpy blacksmith out in the Hinterlands
 
If I remember my geology right, quartz has a hardness of 7, diamond is 10 and chalk is 1. So quartz is quite a hard mineral. I'll have to give this a try when I get home.
 
I think those hardnesses are for pure clear crystal quartz - not the more disorganised Quartzite that is white and much more common....
 
I just tried a piece of quartz crysal - great big fat sparks - almost as good as flint!
The edge of the crystal wore a bit faster than flint though...
 
:D Pure clear crystal from Madagascar Ogri - not Welsh Quartzite:D
No echo, echo, echo.....
Darn it I use Welsh quartzite quite a bit as it is - as hammerstones for my (awful) flint work!
 
:D Pure clear crystal from Madagascar Ogri - not Welsh Quartzite:D
No echo, echo, echo.....
Darn it I use Welsh quartzite quite a bit as it is - as hammerstones for my (awful) flint work!

Ah, I see,
I'm just using the locally sourced white crumbly laying-at-the-side-of-the-road stuff :cool:
Now if I could only find some naturally occuring iron nodules (as shown by Mr Mears in the Wildfood Series), I'd be up for some serious experimentation.

ATB

Ogri the trog

PS, You ain't seen "awful" flint work until you've seen mine!
 
Oh yes I have!I have managed to use a whole range of flint working tools, from hammer stones to antler flakers, to reduce several nodules to items only fit for striking sparks and ONE recognisable "scraper".....mind you I need lots of bits for Flint and Steels anyway...
 
Oh yes I have!I have managed to use a whole range of flint working tools, from hammer stones to antler flakers, to reduce several nodules to items only fit for striking sparks and ONE recognisable "scraper".....mind you I need lots of bits for Flint and Steels anyway...

Likewise John
I made a big pile of painfull gravell once - pretty much gave up after that. I must be a glutton for more though as I've signed up for a day with the Lords at the summer moot.

ATB

Ogri the trog
 
Will people please stop talking about the Moot - I can't go (I will be expeditioning in Africa - again!)
Will kind people take notes/video on the flint knapping for me - oh, and gather me a bunch of rubble to go with my Steels - I have nearly run out of flint!
OK quartz is abundant around here but flint is king - hance it is traditionally Flint and Steel not Quartz and steel......
 

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