Smoke control zones

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dnarcher

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I am moving to a smoke control zone. The new house has an open fire in the living room (and gas central heating). Following on from the thread about preparing for winter, and the discussion on fuels, i was hoping to tap into the forum's collective knowledge. The house is in the high peak, and right on the edge of the zone.
What fuels should I be burning, what can't I burn, what's the best way to get hold of the fuel in the correct amounts, or should I just give up and get an approved enclosed stove installed.
To me, it looked like smokeless coal or manufactured logs as my choices.
Thanks for your time and advice.
 
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I suspect you will have a wider range of fuel choice with an approved stove.

Don't forget to have the chimney checked and swept, a decent local sweep is also likely to be a useful source of suggestions about the sort of fuel and/or stoves work with the setup up you have.

(Don't think you can buy housecoal any more, only lower emission manufactured fuel)

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While an open fire is really nice, they are quite inefficient in their use of wood and coal, and need careful management to get a modicum of heat produced. We had and enjoyed an open fire for the first few years at our home, but last year we had a multi fuel stove put in. It has been surprising just how much more heat it produces for so much less wood/e-coal, and the nightly management is simpler. Fewer and finer ashes too. We still get the enjoyment of a ‘real fire’ - especially during power outages :) as we chose a stove with a large fire glass ‘window’. I believe that properly dried real logs are still allowed, you just need to keep them stored well.
 
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You will need to have something that states it's authorised for smoke controlled areas. Our local agricultural merchant has a good range of fuels and can advise.

If you don't have experience with using an open fire it is worth getting someone in to check the fireplace over. It may be blocked off, the fire bricks might need repairing etc. In one of our old houses the open fires had gas fires fitted and gas pipework going into the fireplace. Took a bit of work to make them into a usable open fire again.

If you don't use it you may also wish to close it up to stop so much heat going up the chimney. Again this needs to he done properly to stop damp etc.
 
An open fireplace can have a negative heat balance depending where the air for burning comes from. If there is no targeted air for the fire place and it just takes it from the rooms the balance is easily negative.
 
Nope!

I have a flu draw way higher than recommended. It can open my front room door if there is a blow outside.

Firstly the heated air/flu gases are warming the fabric of the house. The big brick radiator that I call a chimney is heating three rooms from one fire.

Secondly, this process involves conduction and convection. Radiant heat still warms me and my armchair.
 
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I’d go with smokeless fuel if you want to keep the open fire, it burns hotter and longer than wood and you won’t get into trouble with the smoke regs. That said, an enclosed stove makes a massive difference in efficiency and comfort, especially in a place like the High Peak where winters bite hard. If you’re planning on using it a lot, I’d seriously think about biting the bullet and swapping to a stove. Buying in bulk from a local coal/solid fuel merchant usually works out cheaper than the DIY bags from B&Q.
 
@dnarcher : You can get a really good range of Defra approved stoves.

Fuel: A proper solid fuel merchant is always the best place to get your fuel. We have a local "fuel cash and carry" which is also linked to the main fuel (solid fuel, oil, gas) provider in the area. They only sell fuel which is "approved" for use in closed appliances (they have a range of fuels and if you tell them what your stove/fireplace is, they will advise on a good type of fuel). They also sell one type of "substitute" fuel for housecoal plus kiln-dried wood. (If you don't want to pay for the posh bags of wood all cut nicely to size, they do big nets of "offcuts" from the processing of said fuel for a very good price).

If you buy fuel from a garage/DIY place you need to know what you are getting. You may find a decent manufactured fuel e.g. Taybright, but maybe it's not right for your appliance/fireplace, and chances are it will cost more than from the fuel retailer. You must be careful with briquettes, as even if they are "smokeless" they may also be quite tarry and cause deposits in your flues if you are burning them in a different applicance/system to to what they are designed for. Wood and kindling can also be somewhat hit and miss from a garage or DIY place.

At this time of year, the local sweeps and stove fitters will be very busy, so you may have to wait for them to fit you in. But it's really important that you wait for them to check over the fireplace and chimney, they should sweep and test. You'll want a carbon monoxide alarm too, and you need to consider where the air comes in. I wouldn't trust what a previous house owner/occupier said about the fireplace/chimney.....

Something else about stoves and chimneys: the stove installer insisted we have the chimneys lined. I was slightly skeptical, but went with it. This was done at a relatively early stage of our refurb. Later on, we stripped the render off the outside and the plaster off the inside to let the walls dry out before the render was re-done as traditional lime-based roughcast and the walls were internally insulated. Turns out that the plaster was about the only thing keeping the chimney sealed inside, and the back of the chimney at the base was only one brick thick on the outside. Glad we have a liner..... also we were able to make the chimney sound inside and out and do some useful remedial work. But- this wasn't visible until we have the render and plaster stripped off. Turns out that the stove installer- who was local and had worked on a lot of similar houses- knew what he was on about.

[I'm no expert, just an interested user who over the past 3 years of a renovation project has learned a bit about getting old fireplaces up to a useful configuration, we also added 2 modern flues, one in each new extension bit].

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Thank you, everyone. I really appreciate the advice. No amount of reading regulations carries the weight of your collective experience.
 
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Indeed.

Which is why upthread I suggested going to the local proper solid fuel merchant who in our area sells ONLY approved solid fuels and kiln-dried wood (along with other off-mains fuels such as heating oil and the big propane cylinders).

But this is a rural area where quite a lot of people are not on mains gas, I guess in a place where most folks are on the mains, such outlets are more difficult to find.

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Watch out for the "green" logs made from olive stones with unclear wording on the packaging - so Green that they are definitely not smokeless zone approved, even though supermarkets sell them in smokeless Zones.
 

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