Show and tell! Cycle touring setup

Quixoticgeek

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Aug 4, 2013
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I was thinking,, hard tail, simple dual pannier set up (only need about 40l storage), 26" wheels, maybe a single speed maybe an internal gear hub? I used to ride BMX and love the simplicity of single speed bike, not sure how it'd translate to an offroad bike but!

Note internal hubs are not necessarily the ideal for touring, especially when off the beaten track. If they fail, they tend to do so in such a way that can leave you unable to ride your bike. You can't change gear while pedalling, which can be a pain on hills, and they tend not to have the greatest of range between lowest and highest gear, unless you fork out a lot of money for a rholoff. Personally I would go with a derailleur system as you can cobble that back together, even if you have to make it effectively single speed because of a broken derailleur, or mangled chain or some such. You may want to consider one of the modern 1x (pronounced "one by"), which have a single chain ring at the front, and 10-11 gears at the back. This has some of the same disadvantages as a hub gear in terms of gear range, but it has the ruggedness that a derailleur system offers.

Why 26" wheels? For years the common advice has been that if you're going really off the beaten track (think south america, or Mongolia) then 26" is the way to go as the spares are likely to be easier to find. But in the developed world, 700c is just as well served really these days and is likely to come with better rolling resistance, and ride over bumps better.

Beyond that, take a look at things like the Surly troll or the Genesis Vagabond, both are available as fully kitted out bikes, or as frames you can build in your own image.

Will all bikes be able to mount panniers?

No. Many mountain bikes, especially full suspension ones, and many road bikes won't have the fittings for a rack, so you can't fit panniers. That said these days with modern bike packing luggage you don't really need a rack. You can get a 20l bar bag, a 13l saddle bag, and about 7l of frame bag, and have your 40l of stuff, all while keeping within the plane of the bike (at a cost of raising the centre of gravity).

Hopefully that gives you some ideas to work with

J
 

GGTBod

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Mar 28, 2014
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This was my last setup for Scotland, i'd love to do the Brompton style folding bike setup but i am easy 20kg too heavy for the bike naked as the day i was born never mind me plus kit, I go full suspension or hardtail fatbike these days with one of 3 trailers, this trailer is the Burley Travoy, top frame bag, stem bag and my dd tarps bumbag as a handlebar bag with the molle, on the trailer is 2 rubber roll top dry bags which has everything i want to keep dry, rucksack has a 3ltr hydration bladder in and spare water and food


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benp1

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I haven't really been what I'd call 'bushcrafting', which was basecamping in the woods and messing around with toys and projects, for many years. I got more into walking/wildcamping and then bikepacking, which has been a serious bug for the last few years (although I'm enjoying playing in the woods with the kids...!).

Was in Wales in April for a couple of nights for the Welsh Ride Thing, then I went to the Lakes for some very wet bikepacking in March, write up and pictures here http://bearbonesbikepacking.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9589

I don't have any recent photos but here are a few from a while ago













I do have a clown bike too, which I love! I quite fancy doing a little tour on it at some point

 

Highbinder

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Jul 11, 2010
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Note internal hubs are not necessarily the ideal for touring, especially when off the beaten track. If they fail, they tend to do so in such a way that can leave you unable to ride your bike. You can't change gear while pedalling, which can be a pain on hills, and they tend not to have the greatest of range between lowest and highest gear, unless you fork out a lot of money for a rholoff. Personally I would go with a derailleur system as you can cobble that back together, even if you have to make it effectively single speed because of a broken derailleur, or mangled chain or some such. You may want to consider one of the modern 1x (pronounced "one by"), which have a single chain ring at the front, and 10-11 gears at the back. This has some of the same disadvantages as a hub gear in terms of gear range, but it has the ruggedness that a derailleur system offers.

Why 26" wheels? For years the common advice has been that if you're going really off the beaten track (think south america, or Mongolia) then 26" is the way to go as the spares are likely to be easier to find. But in the developed world, 700c is just as well served really these days and is likely to come with better rolling resistance, and ride over bumps better.

Beyond that, take a look at things like the Surly troll or the Genesis Vagabond, both are available as fully kitted out bikes, or as frames you can build in your own image.



No. Many mountain bikes, especially full suspension ones, and many road bikes won't have the fittings for a rack, so you can't fit panniers. That said these days with modern bike packing luggage you don't really need a rack. You can get a 20l bar bag, a 13l saddle bag, and about 7l of frame bag, and have your 40l of stuff, all while keeping within the plane of the bike (at a cost of raising the centre of gravity).

Hopefully that gives you some ideas to work with

J

Thanks for the food for thought.

I was considering 26'' wheels for simplicity. Lighter and stronger (especially as I doubt I'll be buying a high end bike) and I'm quite short at 5'8".

As for rack mounting,, the lugs to mount, are they just required on the rear triangle seat stays?

You're tempting me towards a bikepacking setup. I'll have to do (copious) research before I do anything. Current project is my micro camper so that needs sorted before I start any new projects!
 

mrcharly

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Jan 25, 2011
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There is almost no difference in weight. I'd forget worrying about things like that, just get yourself a cheap second hand bike and ride a bit. That will get your cycling fitness up a bit and help you learn what sort of riding you want to do. Older hardtail MTBs, particularly if they don't have front suspension or disc brakes, are cheap.

The best performance improvement you can make to a bike (relative to money spent) is decent tyres.

5'8" isn't really short, that's my height.
For a rear rack, you ideally need eyes on the rear dropouts and up on the seat stays, but there are other options.

Bikepacking luggage is light, but expensive for the volume you get.
 

Paul_B

Bushcrafter through and through
Jul 14, 2008
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P clips if no seat stay bolt holes. Cheap and secure solution.

You can mix and match styles.

Carradice seat packs are a traditional version of bikepacking seat packs. Sqr packs too.

Google it and see what suits you.
 

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