Shotgun?

[British Red]

Interesting stuff I've been thinking of getting my SGC too, hubby shoots a lot but is convinced he can't get one. Would this preclude me from having one as a partner? (His guns are cabineted by a SGC holder with his own but its a PIA when it needs cleaning/ work)

You should never grant access to your cabinet to any non certificate holder. So you would have to retain the keys and he would not be allowed access to the guns. That should be sufficient.

 

[Stringmaker]

You should never grant access to your cabinet to any non certificate holder. So you would have to retain the keys and he would not be allowed access to the guns. That should be sufficient.

Good point.

I am not allowed to tell my wife where I hide my keys for that exact reason.

Also Red's comment about the certification process is the way it should be. The licensing authorities have to prove reasonable doubt as to your suitability for a SGC, not the other way round.

 

[British Red]

I would have thought that the The Manufacture and Storage of Explosives Regulations 2005 would apply no?

Smokeless powder is not an explosive and the regulations do not apply. If you hold over 15Kg of smokeless (loaded or in tubs) you would need an HSE certificate - but that is an absurd amount to consider loaded in cartridges - many, many thousand

 

[santaman2000]

I remember when I was stationed there and got my license I was still living in the dormitorys on base. My storage was the base armory. Is that still acceptable for somebody in a similar position?

 

[TurboGirl]

You should never grant access to your cabinet to any non certificate holder. So you would have to retain the keys and he would not be allowed access to the guns. That should be sufficient.

That and Camels link to the polices guidelines pdf has really clarified it for me- I think with a bit more reading on the subject that if you can't get the license yourself, you shouldn't be coercing someone else to do it for you so sense has reigned at last!

 

[British Red]

I remember when I was stationed there and got my license I was still living in the dormitorys on base. My storage was the base armory. Is that still acceptable for somebody in a similar position?

The gun must be secured is the main guideline. Secured means not accesible to a non certificate holder. If it was in the base armoury and locked by a chain or the like that only you had the keys to, that would probably be fine.

 

[santaman2000]

The gun must be secured is the main guideline. Secured means not accesible to a non certificate holder. If it was in the base armoury and locked by a chain or the like that only you had the keys to, that would probably be fine.

No not a chain or anything like. Rather it's the same concrete room (bunker) where they store the military small arms and is manned by an armed guard 24/7. I had to check my gun out from whoever was on duty.

 

[British Red]

You misunderstand - nowadaya I believe you would have to secure your gun against use by other military personnel (including the armourers). If in the armoury it would be your responsibility to ensure that anyone else who did not have a certificate could not access it. Hence in the armoury and locked by a chain to which only you had access.

That said, security is at the discretion of the police. If they are happy with it being in the armoury, you are fine. Best bet would be to ask them.

 

[Itzal]

You misunderstand - nowadaya I believe you would have to secure your gun against use by other military personnel (including the armourers). If in the armoury it would be your responsibility to ensure that anyone else who did not have a certificate could not access it. Hence in the armoury and locked by a chain to which only you had access.

That said, security is at the discretion of the police. If they are happy with it being in the armoury, you are fine. Best bet would be to ask them.

that is not the case, personal small arms kept in military armouries are not normally secured in any additional way, the local police are normally content with this. Military personnel would not require a certificate if handling a personal weapon as part of their duties. This is the norm as military personnel are not permitted to have firearms in military housing.

 

[British Red]

Interesting - I have come across a situation where this was not deemed acceptable - it probably depends on the local FEO, nature of the armoury and type of firearm.

 

[johnnytheboy]

Does anyone keep there cartridges secure? I have thought about getting a heavy metal van storage type box to put them in now I have significantly reduced the quantity!

 

[santaman2000]

Interesting - I have come across a situation where this was not deemed acceptable - it probably depends on the local FEO, nature of the armoury and type of firearm.

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The local FEO may well vary but the nature of the armories is pretty standard. Weapons are in a large secure room (usually reinforced concrete or similar) to which only the armorers have access. They collect and issue weapons thru a service port of some type.

 

[santaman2000]

that is not the case, personal small arms kept in military armouries are not normally secured in any additional way, the local police are normally content with this. Military personnel would not require a certificate if handling a personal weapon as part of their duties. This is the norm as military personnel are not permitted to have firearms in military housing.

That's a bit different over here. Personal firearms aren't allowed in single quarters (barracks and dormitories) but they are allowed in family quarters.

 

[Itzal]

Interesting - I have come across a situation where this was not deemed acceptable - it probably depends on the local FEO, nature of the armoury and type of firearm.

Your right I guess it's the FEO ultimately decides, but most military armouries won't accept extra chains etc as they do not conform to the MoD specification. I know from recently that bolt action rifles and shotguns have been stored in mil armouries with no added security. It's worth noting at all military armouries have monitored alarms, which probably helps.

 

[Doc]

Does anyone keep there cartridges secure? I have thought about getting a heavy metal van storage type box to put them in now I have significantly reduced the quantity!

Although there are no formal legal requirements for shotgun cartridge security, it's good practice to keep them under lock and key, separate from the shotgun.

Firearm ammunition does have to be secured by law.

You can get a small safe for £30 or so, and this is my solution - the police found it acceptable. However, if you buy shotgun cartridges in bulk (they are cheaper 250 at a time) it might not be big enough.

 

[Itzal]

That's a bit different over here. Personal firearms aren't allowed in single quarters (barracks and dormitories) but they are allowed in family quarters.

Even air rifles are not permitted in MoD housing or single quarters. This may or may not be followed of course.

 

[Itzal]

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The local FEO may well vary but the nature of the armories is pretty standard. Weapons are in a large secure room (usually reinforced concrete or similar) to which only the armorers have access. They collect and issue weapons thru a service port of some type.

I recently discovered police armouries are less secure than MoD armouries, which is curious.

 

[santaman2000]

Even air rifles are not permitted in MoD housing or single quarters. This may or may not be followed of course.

LOL. Yeah our regs over here can be confusing on base. I bought my last handgun on base and had to read and sign the regs before taking it out the door (a reasonable requirement in itself) While the military exchange sells guns and ammo they have to excort you to the door with any gun purchase. Once at the door your trusted to immediately drive home unescorted with your new gun as you're not allowed to keep it in your car except in direct travel from home to place of lawful use.

Fortunately Hurlburt Field does have both a Rifle and Pistol Club as well as a Skeet and trap Club; both with excelent ranges. Although the Bx that carries firearms is next door on Eglin AFB.

 

[johnnytheboy]

Thanks Doc, I do keep them well hidden, you would need to go some to find them, but they are not secure! this is why I am asking, and they are seperate from the shotguns. I have a FAC cabinet for my shotguns just to make sure! I do buy in bulk, clays in the 1000's game carts by the flat 250's, i'll look into the safe idea, it is a very good idea!! thanks for this!

 

[resnikov]

Right just checked the bank staments and I think North Yorkshire Police cashed my cheque on 5th November. Now I havent heard anything from them yet should I call up and enquire how its going or just leave it and wait?