Question of long term survival
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That's easy. The bird which was the precursor of chicken "proto-chicken" laid an egg that hatched a chicken. Answer- Egg. Next?
blimey, you're showing your age now mate!
:You_Rock_http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3766&highlight=Hypothetical+Question
cheers, and.
That's easy. The bird which was the precursor of chicken "proto-chicken" laid an egg that hatched a chicken. Answer- Egg. Next?
Bingo. The first chicken was a mutant, so the egg came first. You are now an official member of my brain trust.
Sargy, please tell this old coot, i.e. me, how to show those links properly. Like you did above, instead of my convoluted way.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
This was the thread that sprang to mind from your description.
Why even Ray Mears dies alone in the subarctic
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G'day Lupis
In general (ie not directed at any single individual), as impressive as it seems, I do have some questions about the breakdown of calorie expenditure within this artcle that has been linked.
"Chopping/gathering wood: 2 hours, 1000 calories
Tending camp (odd jobs, etc.) 2 hours, 480 calories
Hunting: 4.5 hours, 1800 calories
Foraging: 3 hours, 1020 calories
"
Does all wood need to be chopped before it can burn?
Isn't breaking up wood with the fork of a tree an option as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQEgOwpDXhI
If it's not an option, why isn't feeding it on as it burns an option (both alternatives to chopping save a hell of a lot of energy )
IMO, gathering should be done at the same time as hunting (therefore saving 1/2 of the estimated calories )
If fishing is an option for collecting flesh for food, set lines take bugger all energy to set up & bugger all to check twice a day whilst hunting/gathering
So by my very rough calculations, you could save at least half of the calorie expenditure for gathering wood & at least half the total hunting/gathering calorie expenditure.
Suddenly you have just saved yourself 1500 calories (about 25% of the daily required calories).
Since the original poster of this topic didn't specify a particular environment, I'll stick with my original opinion that it will be dependent on the individual, environment & time of year
Bear in mind that not all of the worlds environments have the same calorie requirements as the subarticokenest:
In some climates, water & its availability is of far more importance than calories
I guess that is the problem with international forums.
You'll get some smart a$$e from the Sth hemisphere pointing out that not everyone in the world lives in the Nth Hemisphereokenest:
Kind regards
Mick
Interesting article.
In general (ie not directed at any single individual), as impressive as it seems, I do have some questions about the breakdown of calorie expenditure within this artcle that has been linked.
"Chopping/gathering wood: 2 hours, 1000 calories
Tending camp (odd jobs, etc.) 2 hours, 480 calories
Hunting: 4.5 hours, 1800 calories
Foraging: 3 hours, 1020 calories
"
Does all wood need to be chopped before it can burn?
Isn't breaking up wood with the fork of a tree an option as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQEgOwpDXhI
If it's not an option, why isn't feeding it on as it burns an option (both alternatives to chopping save a hell of a lot of energy
) IMO, gathering should be done at the same time as hunting (therefore saving 1/2 of the estimated calories
)If fishing is an option for collecting flesh for food, set lines take bugger all energy to set up & bugger all to check twice a day whilst hunting/gathering
So by my very rough calculations, you could save at least half of the calorie expenditure for gathering wood & at least half the total hunting/gathering calorie expenditure.
Suddenly you have just saved yourself 1500 calories (about 25% of the daily required calories).
Since the original poster of this topic didn't specify a particular environment, I'll stick with my original opinion that it will be dependent on the individual, environment & time of year
Bear in mind that not all of the worlds environments have the same calorie requirements as the subartic
okenest:In some climates, water & its availability is of far more importance than calories
I guess that is the problem with international forums.
You'll get some smart a$$e from the Sth hemisphere pointing out that not everyone in the world lives in the Nth Hemisphere
okenest:Kind regards
Mick
no worries. just to complicate things, there are three ways of doing it.
one automatic, one manual, and one clever one where the link is built into the text.
the first step in all three cases is to copy your link. once you've found the page or thread you want to link to, simply highlight the whole of the address in the toolbar. rightclick and copy. then you can just rightclick and paste directly into your post. with a bit of luck the forum software will recognise it, and convert it into a link.
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/index.php
you could turn your address into a link manually, by typing URL tags round it. you need to put [/url] at the end, and at the beginning, the address of y...rl]http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/index.php"]the "world wide" web[/URL]. highlight a peice of your text that you want to turn into a link, then click on the toolbutton. a dialogue box will appear asking you for the URL of your website, just rightclick and paste the address and click on ok.
hope this helps, if it's not clear, just drop me a PM.
cheers, and.
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G'day Lupis
Interesting article.
In general (ie not directed at any single individual), as impressive as it seems, I do have some questions about the breakdown of calorie expenditure within this artcle that has been linked.
"Chopping/gathering wood: 2 hours, 1000 calories
Tending camp (odd jobs, etc.) 2 hours, 480 calories
Hunting: 4.5 hours, 1800 calories
Foraging: 3 hours, 1020 calories
"
Does all wood need to be chopped before it can burn?
Isn't breaking up wood with the fork of a tree an option as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQEgOwpDXhI
If it's not an option, why isn't feeding it on as it burns an option (both alternatives to chopping save a hell of a lot of energy
I'm no expert but the wood in that video looks dead and rotten so would be relatively easy to break. The same can't be said for all wood. Feeding it to the fire rather than chopping it would, to my mind, mean burning it where you find it, if it's a big chunk of wood, otherwise you're going to have to do something with it before carting it back to your camp. I'm thinking the majority of the calories burnt are from the gathering part rather than the chopping itself. I'm assuming the subarctic region is relatively sparsely populated by trees, which I could well be wrong about, but would explain the calorie burn as you'd have to travel a fair distance to find the wood in the first place.
Admittedly it's not a great quality video, but it looks fairly rotten to me from the way it breaks.
G'day Lupis
I won't loose any sleep if you don't believe me
BTW, I take it that living in Scotland, you have a lot of experience with Aussie trees
Kind regards
Mick
That's alright mateAdmittedly it's not a great quality video, but it looks fairly rotten to me from the way it breaks.
I won't loose any sleep if you don't believe me
BTW, I take it that living in Scotland, you have a lot of experience with Aussie trees
Kind regards
Mick
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Is this the one you wanted? It's something I posted about the calorie math of solo survival vs. group survival.
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45703&highlight=mears+dies
My apologies if that is your youtube video, I assumed you'd just found it online and were using it as an example. If so I will, of course, take your word that it isn't rotten.G'day Lupis
That's alright mate
I won't loose any sleep if you don't believe me
BTW, I take it that living in Scotland, you have a lot of experience with Aussie trees
Kind regards
Mick
I don't have much (read any
) experience of Australian trees, but I do believe that the trees in Scotland are much more akin to what you'd find in the subarctic, which is after all what the article I linked to is about. I think that's the one I linked to a few posts back. Just 'cos you wrote the thread doesn't mean you can come in here stealing my good intentions!
I think that's the one I linked to a few posts back. Just 'cos you wrote the thread doesn't mean you can come in here stealing my good intentions!
Humble apologies, I missed the link you posted
G'day Lupis
Really no need to appologise as it wasn't clear that my comments were comming from first hand experience.
Besides, I think it's a good thing to be prepared to question what you see & read on the net
Kind regards
Mick
Yep that's my videoMy apologies if that is your youtube video, I assumed you'd just found it online and were using it as an example. If so I will, of course, take your word that it isn't rotten.
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Really no need to appologise as it wasn't clear that my comments were comming from first hand experience.
Besides, I think it's a good thing to be prepared to question what you see & read on the net
Kind regards
Mick
Briljant Lupis & thanks. It's the one & I'm going to bookmark it. And thanks Dogwood for the excellent post.
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