Posting edged tools in UK

[spader]

Is posting edged tools in UK still problems? Last time I recall reading the form posts that the seller of the tools lost the tools and money because of the RM scanning the parcel, and confiscating the tools. Is this still in practice?

Is it only RM practicing this parcel scanning? Or all other carriers too?

If age verification process had been done for the buyers, and submitted to the RM, is it ok to post edged tools?
Or is it still problem?

What experiences have you in sending and receiving the traded edged tools via posting?

I might still have some more edged tools to clear from the shed, hence trying to know the situation with the posting.
cheers.

 

[Chris]

For Sale Thread 'Royal Mail Age Verified - 'How to' guide'

Dec 17, 2024

Royal Mail only allow the posting of legal bladed objects via their Age Verified service. You cannot just take your item to a Post Office and ask for this, you must pay for it in advance via the Royal Mail website.

How to organise Age Verified postage:

1. Go to https://send.royalmail.com/

2. Click on 'Send an item now'




3. Select the type of parcel you are sending and its weight. For most standard bladed items (knives, carving tools etc) this will be 'Small Parcel'.




4. Under 'Delivery options' there is a link titled 'Show 8 more services' which...

• Chris
• Replies: 15
• Forum: Edged Tools Classifieds

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This is how to post edged tools legally and safely. I’ve had no issues using this method.

 

[spader]

For Sale Thread 'Royal Mail Age Verified - 'How to' guide'

Dec 17, 2024

Royal Mail only allow the posting of legal bladed objects via their Age Verified service. You cannot just take your item to a Post Office and ask for this, you must pay for it in advance via the Royal Mail website.

How to organise Age Verified postage:

1. Go to https://send.royalmail.com/

2. Click on 'Send an item now'




3. Select the type of parcel you are sending and its weight. For most standard bladed items (knives, carving tools etc) this will be 'Small Parcel'.




4. Under 'Delivery options' there is a link titled 'Show 8 more services' which...

• Chris
• Replies: 15
• Forum: Edged Tools Classifieds

• 

This is how to post edged tools legally and safely. I’ve had no issues using this method.

Great. That looks fair enough.

 

[Pattree]

Thanks @Chris
I have not got any edge tools to post but I shall keep this reference.

 

[spader]

For Sale Thread 'Royal Mail Age Verified - 'How to' guide'

Dec 17, 2024

Royal Mail only allow the posting of legal bladed objects via their Age Verified service. You cannot just take your item to a Post Office and ask for this, you must pay for it in advance via the Royal Mail website.

How to organise Age Verified postage:

1. Go to https://send.royalmail.com/

2. Click on 'Send an item now'




3. Select the type of parcel you are sending and its weight. For most standard bladed items (knives, carving tools etc) this will be 'Small Parcel'.




4. Under 'Delivery options' there is a link titled 'Show 8 more services' which...

• Chris
• Replies: 15
• Forum: Edged Tools Classifieds

• 

This is how to post edged tools legally and safely. I’ve had no issues using this method.

Just checked Royal Mail site for their Age Verification service for Tracked 48 small parcel delivery. It is £3.39.
But with Age Verification service for the same delivery, the price goes up by almost £3 making it £6.27.
So it is almost 97% more expensive than the normal Tracked 48 small parcel delivery.

Age Verification added, you pay 97% more to the delivery cost.

 

[SurgeUK]

Posted only for info' purposes and I understand that it's the I.O.M (not mainland UK etc)

Isle of Man Post Office seizes 49 knives after rule change

Since April 2024 people on the Isle of Man have been forbidden from importing knives in the post.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Nice65]

Just checked Royal Mail site for their Age Verification service for Tracked 48 small parcel delivery. It is £3.39.
But with Age Verification service for the same delivery, the price goes up by almost £3 making it £6.27.
So it is almost 97% more expensive than the normal Tracked 48 small parcel delivery.

Age Verification added, you pay 97% more to the delivery cost.

Tracked 48 isn’t the same as Tracked and Signed, it’s a poor example as Tracked is just scanned at the delivery location and isn’t much more expensive than normal 48hr. The age verification process involves even more than Tracked and Signed (£5.09 small parcel). The postie has to knock on the door and see proof of age. It takes longer, and involves admin, so of course it’s more expensive.

 

[Chris]

Honestly think it’s a bargain that for £6.30 someone will come to my house with a label, take my parcel and label it up, then transport it hundreds of miles in a matter of hours and deliver it safely to someone whilst ensuring my item doesn’t end up in the hands of a child and verifying their ID for me.

I’ve paid more to have a curry delivered from just a few miles away.

 

[spader]

Honestly think it’s a bargain that for £6.30 someone will come to my house with a label, take my parcel and label it up, then transport it hundreds of miles in a matter of hours and deliver it safely to someone whilst ensuring my item doesn’t end up in the hands of a child and verifying their ID for me.

I’ve paid more to have a curry delivered from just a few miles away.

Suppose it is a bargain, if we think that way.
But if you posted 10 pieces, then you would have paid around £30 more than you would have without it.

 

[grainweevil]

The only age verification delivery by Royal Mail I've ever had involved the postie dropping the thing on the doorstep, ringing the bell, and legging it. Just like he always does. The value for money aspect was a bit lacking, I felt.

 

[Nice65]

Suppose it is a bargain, if we think that way.
But if you posted 10 pieces, then you would have paid around £30 more than you would have without it.

Well, ideally it has to be passed to the customer. I have a bag of inexpensive Ganzo, Navy and Sanrenmu knives that I’d like to shift and I honestly can’t be bothered with the hassle of it, let alone the low financial return. I suppose I could put a minimum lot number or try and sell as a lot?

 

[spader]

Well, ideally it has to be passed to the customer. I have a bag of inexpensive Ganzo, Navy and Sanrenmu knives that I’d like to shift and I honestly can’t be bothered with the hassle of it, let alone the low financial return. I suppose I could put a minimum lot number or try and sell as a lot?

If they are low priced items, that would be best way to let them go. Ganzos and Sanrenmus were good quality tools I recall from 10-15 year ago when I had them. I still have some Ganzo multi tools, which I use daily in the garden.

 

[spader]

The only age verification delivery by Royal Mail I've ever had involved the postie dropping the thing on the doorstep, ringing the bell, and legging it. Just like he always does. The value for money aspect was a bit lacking, I felt.

We really and honestly don't believe Age Verification delivery or eBay banning bladed items are helping or making any difference at all for making the society safer. It is just a system for them making more money by penalizing the genuine and innocent tool users and traders.

Putting more law enforcement folks on the streets and punishing those who break the law by misusing the tools with the maximum appropriate stricter and firm results regardless of age, would make the society safer in reality.

 

[Nice65]

We really and honestly don't believe Age Verification delivery or eBay banning bladed items are helping or making any difference at all for making the society safer. It is just a system for them making more money by penalizing the genuine and innocent tool users and traders.

Putting more law enforcement folks on the streets and punishing those who break the law by abusing and misusing the tools with the maximum appropriate stricter and firm results regardless of age, would make the society safer in reality.

It doesn’t just apply to bladed items, it applies to anything that can’t be bought by under 18’s, like vapes.

I think it’s a good system and you’re a little bit cynical about it. There are a lot of stories of under 18s ordering knives online and getting them delivered. I had an 8” chef knife left on my parents doorstep for a couple of days that didn’t need age verification to buy or be delivered. That’s not great IMO.

Thread 'Amazon deliver 8” knife without asking for signature'

Nov 28, 2024

Just had a call from my mum to say an Amazon parcel is on the back step. I had it sent there as I know she’s in all day today and can sign for it. Delivery note email says “Parcel was handed to resident”.

Well it wasn’t handed to her, she was home, and no signature was asked for. That’s an 8 inch Sabatier just sat on the doorstep

• Nice65
• Replies: 24
• Forum: Edged Tools

 

[spader]

It doesn’t just apply to bladed items, it applies to anything that can’t be bought by under 18’s, like vapes.

I think it’s a good system and you’re a little bit cynical about it. There are a lot of stories of under 18s ordering knives online and getting them delivered. I had an 8” chef knife left on my parents doorstep for a couple of days that didn’t need age verification to buy or be delivered. That’s not great IMO.

For me it is difficult to imagine for the under 18 year olds have time and money to buy and play with these things. They should be studying for uni. exams, or learn the skills for their future life.

 

[Broch]

We really and honestly don't believe Age Verification delivery or eBay banning bladed items are helping or making any difference at all for making the society safer. It is just a system for them making more money by penalizing the genuine and innocent tool users and traders.

Putting more law enforcement folks on the streets and punishing those who break the law by misusing the tools with the maximum appropriate stricter and firm results regardless of age, would make the society safer in reality.

I disagree, if it stops one knife being sold, and saves just one young life, I am happy to have to go through a few minor inconveniences.

 

[spader]

I disagree, if it stops one knife being sold, and saves just one young life, I am happy to have to go through a few minor inconveniences.

Not sure if there is direct evidence it does though. We still hear about bad things happening daily even with all these doubtful systems.

 

[Pattree]

I’d be wary of letting anecdotes affect my view of the general situation - as in all things internet and beyond.

 

[Nice65]

Not sure if there is direct evidence it does though. We still hear about bad things happening daily even with all these doubtful systems.

Please don’t think that this is being posted with any sort of aggravation, absolutely no offence is intended. It’s a bit like everyone knows a smoker who lived until they were in their 90’s, it doesn’t mean smoking isn’t extremely bad for you. “We all hear bad things daily” is a huge and sweeping statement that assumes information sources are unbiased and honest. I assure you they are not and we are fed exactly what our governments would like us to believe, should we choose to get our ‘facts’ from unreliable sources.

To think all under 18’s have time and money to play with these things and instead should be studying for uni and exams is absolute pie in the sky piffle. Many, in fact society in general, lacks elders, so these kids are getting their initiation by gang culture, survival of the fittest etc. Very many end up in the penal system where that initiation is continued into adult life. Very many of them also have no consideration of future life skills and education as it simply is not within their grasp or offered.

Personally, I’m also happy that I’m checked and have to sign for a knife and I don’t mind there is a fee for the postage. The law doesn’t apply to sub 3” non-locking folders either, only locking knives and fixed blades. I don’t think it could be fairer to be honest and I kicked up a stink with Amazon over them allowing companies to sell 8” Sabatier chef knives unverified. This is perhaps where the “bad things happening every day” part of your reply begins to make more sense?

 

[slowworm]

I don't have a problem with the age verification as we have good posties and other delivery drivers. I work from home and I can also afford to pay more but I think that's a bit of an "I'm alright jack attitude."

I have noticed a few companies stop selling knives, others are being hit with extra fees perhaps by companies overreacting to the law (e.g. chainsaw chains have to be sent age verified).

The problem I have is, will the law changes do much and could the parliamentary time and costs to implement them be better spent? I did notice in the latest government consultations that they seem to be fully aware that many knives are brought in in bulk legally and deliberately sold direct to underage people and then you see stories which makes me realise I have little understanding of the problems. Ones like this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgm18g19013o