They reckon some 2000 tests were carried out, more than half were by the USA, yes a lot were underground tests, but I bet when the doors were opened the dust would have gone everywhere ;-)
Plans to store nuclear waste in Ennerdale.
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They reckon some 2000 tests were carried out, more than half were by the USA, yes a lot were underground tests, but I bet when the doors were opened the dust would have gone everywhere ;-)
Maybe. I don't really know the protcols. I spent 5 years stationed in Las Vegas; not really that far from the test site in Tonapah
Had a nice walk up the valley and back yesterday with the mrs, I was expecting protest banners all over the place but only saw one on the A66 near Keswick.
The place was deserted, only two cars in the car park when we got there. Snow on the tops down to about 600m, but water logged bogs everywhere else if you stray off the main tracks too far.
Found a couple more secluded hammock spots for next time
Hoping for some snow now as it's got good pulking potential
The place was deserted, only two cars in the car park when we got there. Snow on the tops down to about 600m, but water logged bogs everywhere else if you stray off the main tracks too far.
Found a couple more secluded hammock spots for next time
Hoping for some snow now as it's got good pulking potentialGood news for Lakes lovers today ..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/30/cumbrian-councils-vote-nuclear-waste
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/30/cumbrian-councils-vote-nuclear-waste
+1 to this.
Maybe they will try to force the issue though, a sort of "in the nations best interest" type of thing?
Maybe folks should just get used to the idea that there is just going to be much less energy available to most of us.
just when you think your bug out bag is big enough you end up buying an anti radiation suit auch well thats life
What could possibly be go wrong? I mean, there's this really huge nuclear dump in the Ukraine... it's called "Pripyat". Might be worth Googling how well they're containing the nuclear mess
Will this storage facility be dangerous? I doubt it. The protocols over storage and checking are ridiculously tight. The gas-fired power plant at Sellafield is 'off site' because such plants generate so much radioactivity that if it were on site, the gas power plant would be deemed 'controlled radioactive waste'.
Will the storage facility be an eyesore? Probably not. It's underground accessed by tunnel from Sellafield.
HOWEVER. The construction phase sounds like it will be ruinous for the valley. It will last many years.
Will the storage facility be an eyesore? Probably not. It's underground accessed by tunnel from Sellafield.
HOWEVER. The construction phase sounds like it will be ruinous for the valley. It will last many years.
I think it boils down to how statistics are presented. It is possible to present any given set of data in different ways to emphasise a point without mishandling the data or adjusting in any way. If one set out to prove clusters existed then one could use data to do that, if one set out to show the opposite the same data could be used but presented differently. The real problem is that we rely on experts, most of whom have an agenda, to provide the answers.
Hah! Treehuggers latest attempt to deny civilization
Just wait until the economy shrinks due to lack of energy and see their dole cheques disappear as tax revenues collapse!
If civilisation means moving further and firther away from our links with nature then maybe it is Andy, but it does confuse me a bit that you are a bushcrafter and also apparently opposed to any fight to preserve the oldd ways
(although I can, albeit a bit grudgingly, see how nuclear power might work if only the waste issue could be properly addressed).Economy shrink? Surely not? But that would mean a recession? Nah, not in the UK mate........
also apparently opposed to any fight to preserve the oldd ways
Sorry Manacles how does wanting to find a solution to storage of nuclear waste equate to being opposed to the fight to preserve the old ways? Are you saying that old and new ways can't co-exist? Please say not. I appreciate your posts on here and would hate to see you dropping off from posting on one of the new ways (computers and internet forums surely class as new ways)!!!
Hah! Treehuggers latest attempt to deny civilization
Just wait until the economy shrinks due to lack of energy and see their dole cheques disappear as tax revenues collapse!
If civilisation means moving further and firther away from our links with nature then maybe it is Andy, but it does confuse me a bit that you are a bushcrafter and also apparently opposed to any fight to preserve the oldd ways
Economy shrink? Surely not? But that would mean a recession? Nah, not in the UK mate........
Ah - so many false assumptions in such a short space! Is it civilised to want more than 10% of babies born survive to their 2nd birthday? Count me in - I'll take all the modern advantages of medicine, transport, food, communications, shelter, support for those who need it (and even some who don't!). (Actually, with my second replacement hip operation coming up in a month's time, I'm particularly fond of the medical bit - bone-on-bone grinding gets a bit of a pain after a while!)
If being a a bushcrafter means preserving the "old ways" over the new, guess I'm not a bushcrafter. Learning some of the skills that our ancestors had to make do with out of necessity is a different matter - I find it fascinating, and most of all its fun. Otherwise, why would I do it, with all the other calls on my time?.
But above all, one needs a sense of perspective. There's 60+million people in the UK - most of them in England. And - under the "old ways", it could probably only support 2-3 million of those. "Living the dream" of total self-sufficiency is just that - a dream. Sure, some may be fortunate enough to have sufficient funds to buy property and land that will allow them to be relatively self-sufficient for food and water. But you can bet your bottom dollar that they'd be the first to use the telephone to call in the emergency helicopter if they - or their family - fell ill.
Sorry Manacles how does wanting to find a solution to storage of nuclear waste equate to being opposed to the fight to preserve the old ways? Are you saying that old and new ways can't co-exist? Please say not. I appreciate your posts on here and would hate to see you dropping off from posting on one of the new ways (computers and internet forums surely class as new ways)!!!
Paul you are misquoting me. I was responding Andy's assertion that those with a view on preserving the location were "tree huggers" that are on the dole. The reference to the old ways refers tot hose that revere the beauty and tranquility of the countryside and have a view that it should remain that way. I believe they deserve better than being summed up as "treehuggers last attempt to deny civilisation".
For the record, and based on the knowledge gained on a recent environmental science degree course, we do not, as yet, have a good permanent solution to the subject of radioactive waste simply because its life exceeds the materials we currently us to store it. I am not saying we won't have that solution in the future, and if we do then nuclear power could well be a good solution to the growing power problems (with the caveat over the current reserves being fairly limited).
Originally Posted by Andy BB
Hah! Treehuggers latest attempt to deny civilization
Just wait until the economy shrinks due to lack of energy and see their dole cheques disappear as tax revenues collapse!
Ah - so many false assumptions in such a short space! Is it civilised to want more than 10% of babies born survive to their 2nd birthday? Count me in - I'll take all the modern advantages of medicine, transport, food, communications, shelter, support for those who need it (and even some who don't!). (Actually, with my second replacement hip operation coming up in a month's time, I'm particularly fond of the medical bit - bone-on-bone grinding gets a bit of a pain after a while!)
If being a a bushcrafter means preserving the "old ways" over the new, guess I'm not a bushcrafter. Learning some of the skills that our ancestors had to make do with out of necessity is a different matter - I find it fascinating, and most of all its fun. Otherwise, why would I do it, with all the other calls on my time?.
But above all, one needs a sense of perspective. There's 60+million people in the UK - most of them in England. And - under the "old ways", it could probably only support 2-3 million of those. "Living the dream" of total self-sufficiency is just that - a dream. Sure, some may be fortunate enough to have sufficient funds to buy property and land that will allow them to be relatively self-sufficient for food and water. But you can bet your bottom dollar that they'd be the first to use the telephone to call in the emergency helicopter if they - or their family - fell ill.
Andy are you really going to accuse me of false assumptions when you described people with an interest in the environment as "treehuggers" and then qualify that with implying they are all on the dole? Tut tut
