Your answer was technically incorrect and incomplete. There are no solvents, it is a different substance and could cause burns or allergic reaction to the skin. People want a reason not to do something not just because you say so.
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Your answer was technically incorrect and incomplete. There are no solvents, it is a different substance and could cause burns or allergic reaction to the skin. People want a reason not to do something not just because you say so.
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Good advise to use a dressing and get help, although the superglue question is open to debate, I have used bog standard SG on wounds in the past
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=623786
Good first aid skills are vital, and its not aimed at you when I say that people should learn good basic skills, pack a good FAK and above all, practice the techniques they have learned. Give me a good solid first aider over gung ho billy with his SAS Medics Bergen and a weekend of training any day, the later can be so full of false confidence that they are a danger.
Here we go indeed, Weaver I am glad your medical knowledge is so vast that after you have read an article on the net and pasted the info here you feel you are qulaified to hand out advice on medical issues.
I believe that some Cyno type super glues do contain solvents, I believe that some contain certain solvents as it can make them cure quicker,(any chemists or model makers on here?). I guess I could be wrong,I could have even mis heard the Doctor that was giving the lesson, if so I will call the school that I did my medics course at and inform them "some guy on the net said you are wrong" hopefully they will then modify their sylabus acordingly
If you wish to super glue your cuts, with either model glue or med glu or perhaps in your case weaver may I suggest wood glue please go ahead, please then feel free to go down to your local hospital after the said repair job is either infected or healed badly and causing further complications and tell the duty Doc that you thought it would be ok because "some guy on the net read an article and said it would be ok".
Well i don't know about super glue.But Cayenne pepper on a bleeding wound will stop it help heal it. Cause two weeks ago i cut my thumb with a machete on top blood coming real nice i just pore it on till it look like a mud pack left it on wrap it up.Now here is a picture after two weeks. i be back post a link so you can read all but Cayeene it does more things
http://www.harmonikireland.com/index.php?topic=cayenne
http://www.harmonikireland.com/index.php?topic=cayenne
You need to take a chill pill and learn to read. I said NOT to use super glue because it is a different substance than medical skin glue.
As a matter of fact I do have emergency medical training but you did not ask that you simply jumped to another incorrect assumption.
Thank you to keep your personal attacks to yourself.
If you are going to quote some one, include the whole article, not the bit that suits you.
I did not say you advised the use of over the counter glue, you did however inform the guy to use only Med glue to sitch himself and this is what I was picking up on. This is not ok and as some one who now states he has Medical Training you should not advise such activites.
Please show me where I told someone to stitch himself?
The article I quoted said to use the medical grade IF you need to use anything.
Most bleeding can be stopped with direct pressure covered with sterile gauze. It would be best to seek professional medical assistance if the wound was severe enough to warrant it.
Only in an extreme emergency with no hope of reaching medical help in a reasonable time would I use my suture kit or any kind of glue. Of course the wound would need to be rinsed with saline solution and maybe cleaned with alcohol if needed.
This is not to be taken as medical advise, but merely the discussion of first aid practices in remote emergency situations. Anyone who frequents the remote outdoors should have some first aid training and a kit suited to your training and location.
We are really saying the same things but your first post saying that the original super glue has added solvents that medical glue does not have was incorrect. They are two different chemical substances. That is the point I wanted to make clear.
As to quoting part of a post, that is common practice to clip the unimportant parts as it is quite redundant to post the same information over and over.
Furthermore it is rude to tell someone that you have answered a question because there are always different view points and added information that someone else can help to clarify a question.
I have been on this board for about a year and made nearly 500 posts and never had an argument with anyone that I remember. So, please accept my apology if you think it is deserved.
The article I quoted said to use the medical grade IF you need to use anything.
Most bleeding can be stopped with direct pressure covered with sterile gauze. It would be best to seek professional medical assistance if the wound was severe enough to warrant it.
Only in an extreme emergency with no hope of reaching medical help in a reasonable time would I use my suture kit or any kind of glue. Of course the wound would need to be rinsed with saline solution and maybe cleaned with alcohol if needed.
This is not to be taken as medical advise, but merely the discussion of first aid practices in remote emergency situations. Anyone who frequents the remote outdoors should have some first aid training and a kit suited to your training and location.
We are really saying the same things but your first post saying that the original super glue has added solvents that medical glue does not have was incorrect. They are two different chemical substances. That is the point I wanted to make clear.
As to quoting part of a post, that is common practice to clip the unimportant parts as it is quite redundant to post the same information over and over.
Furthermore it is rude to tell someone that you have answered a question because there are always different view points and added information that someone else can help to clarify a question.
I have been on this board for about a year and made nearly 500 posts and never had an argument with anyone that I remember. So, please accept my apology if you think it is deserved.
I think Lush and British Red are talking about different things, that overlap.
I tend to agree with British Red, I carry a group of items that do the job of a PSK, but I do try to carry a PSK as well.
This thread does raise some interesting points.
It really worries me when people start saying I will not need one because I can be rescued, or because I have all this kit in my ruc. As you skid down the bank, twisting your ankle, and watching your ruc float away on the river. Murphy's Law says that your phone will not work, then what? For a start, in a city you can expect an ambulance in 8 minutes, but what is the response time of Mountain rescue, say 2 hours, depending on were you are, and if you can tell them were you are.
I do not know the figures, but people die in the UK outdoors, every year, so how far is need PSK. More importantly, do you want risk being one of them.
Lets say 20 miles, from help. What happens to that distance if you twisted your ankle. What happens to that distance if the way you came is blocked.
Think England too small, what about the floods? You are out walking, and get cut off, what do we think would be the response time then. You only went for a walk, that trapping wire is suddenly looking useful.
Here is the thing for me, do I carry a FA because I want to have accidents, or because I want to survive them.
A thing on mobile phones, do not expect to be able to make calls in the middle of nowhere. The 95% coverage is people, not area, so sometimes on certain networks you just will not have signal. There are still big parts of the UK with no motorways, often the very places we want to go to. More importantly, it goes to the GPS and a map question, why carry a map with a GPS, because it does not need batteries and it will work in all weathers, conditions, and is hard to very break. My point being do you carry a spare battery for your phone.
I must say it does tend to not be were it should be, and ends up in the bottom of my ruc. The point of a PSK is to give you the bare minmium to keep yourself alive, until you can get back to civililastion. Which is one of the reasons I am going for the responce pak idea so it is always in the bottom of there instead.
I have had a few of those wire saws, if you shop around and look after it they are useful, but some are complete rubbish. They do tend to be the thing, that when you want to use then they break, so they make checking your PSK a least once a month worthwhile.
I carry matches for convience, but not in my PSK.
I tend to agree with British Red, I carry a group of items that do the job of a PSK, but I do try to carry a PSK as well.
This thread does raise some interesting points.
It really worries me when people start saying I will not need one because I can be rescued, or because I have all this kit in my ruc. As you skid down the bank, twisting your ankle, and watching your ruc float away on the river. Murphy's Law says that your phone will not work, then what? For a start, in a city you can expect an ambulance in 8 minutes, but what is the response time of Mountain rescue, say 2 hours, depending on were you are, and if you can tell them were you are.
I do not know the figures, but people die in the UK outdoors, every year, so how far is need PSK. More importantly, do you want risk being one of them.
Lets say 20 miles, from help. What happens to that distance if you twisted your ankle. What happens to that distance if the way you came is blocked.
Think England too small, what about the floods? You are out walking, and get cut off, what do we think would be the response time then. You only went for a walk, that trapping wire is suddenly looking useful.
Here is the thing for me, do I carry a FA because I want to have accidents, or because I want to survive them.
A thing on mobile phones, do not expect to be able to make calls in the middle of nowhere. The 95% coverage is people, not area, so sometimes on certain networks you just will not have signal. There are still big parts of the UK with no motorways, often the very places we want to go to. More importantly, it goes to the GPS and a map question, why carry a map with a GPS, because it does not need batteries and it will work in all weathers, conditions, and is hard to very break. My point being do you carry a spare battery for your phone.
I must say it does tend to not be were it should be, and ends up in the bottom of my ruc. The point of a PSK is to give you the bare minmium to keep yourself alive, until you can get back to civililastion. Which is one of the reasons I am going for the responce pak idea so it is always in the bottom of there instead.
I have had a few of those wire saws, if you shop around and look after it they are useful, but some are complete rubbish. They do tend to be the thing, that when you want to use then they break, so they make checking your PSK a least once a month worthwhile.
I carry matches for convience, but not in my PSK.
Yes I know, the incriminating files were still in his IE cache. You have to wonder why the PC world guys were nosing around when all they were supposed to do was fix it.
Good internet Cafes, will flush the cache regulalry, but many of the cowboys don't, possibly because they can't be botherd, maybe they don't know, or perhaps they just like scavanging other people's porn.
Either way if I view a picture, any picture, maybe a scan of my passport, through IE tne there is agood chance that picture will still be there after I leave.
My USB stick runs Portable Apps, so I would view in Firefox which can be set to clean when shut down.
I know the guy that was given his laptop to repair.
The images weren't in his IE cache.
Here is my PSK that I carried through 13 years US Army SF and on all my outdoor trips. This is just to augment other camping items. Some items upgraded over the years!
I also carry a separate small FAK, Adventure Medical Kits .7 model.
Protractor- Mini, Flexible with grid scales From Maptools.com
Fresnel Lens (Credit Card size)
Small Plastic Shelter (TMRU Pocket Tent)
550lbs Para Cord (50ft Length)
Signal Mirror (Plastic, Military)
Firesteel Firestarter
Mini BIC Lighter
Cotton Balls
Waxpaper
Whistle, ACR Brand
Silicone Tubing, 10ft
Small Fishing Kit
Sewing Kit, thread & needles & a few buttons
Sharpening Stone, DC3 Fallkniven
Wire saw, BCB, as a backup tool
Compass, Small Silva Type 27
Mosquito headnet & mittens, US Military SK item
50ft Fine Stainless Steel Wire
10 ft Heavy Aluminum Foil
Peak LED single AAA light, waterproof
Water Purification Tablets, Potable Aqua (keep them fresh!)
ALOKSAK Bag to waterproof entire contents
Small Belt Pouch to carry entire kit
I also carry a separate small FAK, Adventure Medical Kits .7 model.
Protractor- Mini, Flexible with grid scales From Maptools.com
Fresnel Lens (Credit Card size)
Small Plastic Shelter (TMRU Pocket Tent)
550lbs Para Cord (50ft Length)
Signal Mirror (Plastic, Military)
Firesteel Firestarter
Mini BIC Lighter
Cotton Balls
Waxpaper
Whistle, ACR Brand
Silicone Tubing, 10ft
Small Fishing Kit
Sewing Kit, thread & needles & a few buttons
Sharpening Stone, DC3 Fallkniven
Wire saw, BCB, as a backup tool
Compass, Small Silva Type 27
Mosquito headnet & mittens, US Military SK item
50ft Fine Stainless Steel Wire
10 ft Heavy Aluminum Foil
Peak LED single AAA light, waterproof
Water Purification Tablets, Potable Aqua (keep them fresh!)
ALOKSAK Bag to waterproof entire contents
Small Belt Pouch to carry entire kit
Thanks guys
For all the the info and opinions on super glue and the use of it.
I will not be useing it on myself or any one else it was just a question i asked out of interest. If the situation ever arose were it was life or death and i had some superglue
then i would use it as i would use ducktape or anything else at hand if its all i had.
For all the the info and opinions on super glue and the use of it.
I will not be useing it on myself or any one else it was just a question i asked out of interest. If the situation ever arose were it was life or death and i had some superglue
then i would use it as i would use ducktape or anything else at hand if its all i had.
There was an interesting discussion recently on equipped to survive regarding this. One point that was raised is that striking a match is a gross motor skill, whilst using a lighter involves more fine motor skills which are the ones to go first as you get hypothermic.
Made me think as my primary fire lighting device is a PB-207.
I see Millets (and hiking stores) now have a whole range of different gear inside wide mouth Nalgene bottles like a first-aid bottle, travel bottle, fitness , survival , ski, kids and walking bottle. Ok, they are a gift gimmick but I don't think it's an all together terrible idea for a PSK container.
They should make one with a packet of tissues, sterile hand cleaner, air freshener and trowel
They should make one with a packet of tissues, sterile hand cleaner, air freshener and trowel
Your PSK and your IFAK should always be on your person. In the military I had my PSK tinnie sewn into the lining of my smock and an IFAK pouch in a pocket.......I wanted to be well equipped when running away from the Russians. I was looking lustingly over a military goretex HALO parachute jacket recently and found the lining in the pocket had been cut open. When asked the owner told me it is where he stashes his PSK when out and about.
I understand that there are emergency charge widgets for mobiles both in the form of batteries and a sort of clockwork wind up thing.
I saw an ISSUED US Special Forces Personal Survival Kit recently, I larfed. You would have thought that the owner was intended to be going on a camping holiday.
I think also a very good idea in bushcraft is as the clothing is normally neutral/olive/dpm a high vis vest is good to have in your bag, they are very cheap and pack small, if you are a blip on the mountain/country side would make location by SAR a bit easier. If on a big hill/mountain in scotland and it gets clagged in just pop the vest on, a very good safety aid me thinks.
