London riots
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-I repeat, I never said everyone would make it big, just that they all have an equal chance. And it doesn't matter that the poor don't have their papers delivered. I wasn't talking about being a customer, I was talking about the one doing the job; even a menial job with a strong ambition to advance to better. Even if that particular job isn't available there I'm sure the rich still get their cars washed, their yards mowed, etc.
-As to the benevolent society theory, granted you do provide necessities. So do we although the programs work differently. An example is my daughter; She hasn't had more than a part time job in 4 years. The state provides her medical care and both her sons' medical care as well as housing assistance (all while the oldest son's deadbeat dad is somewhere in another state avoiding his court ordered child support) and the state provides food stamps (actually the more modern electronic form) for her and the kids as well as extra nutritional funds for the infant son.
-No, the drug dealers don't have all the big money; but they DO have all the big money that didn't have to be worked for.
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Gotta agree with this. In any civilized country the police and the military are two separate entities with two separate missions. The police maintain civil order with all restraint due to the populace; the military uses whatever force necessary to obtain it's objective against an enemy force. It's not pretty when they have to be interchanged.
Possibly true but my assertions were about capitalism as an economic system. Individual social systems within different countries certainly have an effect but that's more of a social cause than an economic one.
In my opinion, a very bleak and grim look at the motives of the rioters involved....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14458424
The sound of their voices and the lack of intellect is really grating.
"It's the government innit" - They didn't even know who was in power.
Should this;
Apparently there is a lot of social network activity around Cardiff trying to organise a riot in the city.
An organised riot? It's almost laughable!
be;
Just heard from a colleague that Beatties in Wolverhampton has been attacked and they are closing the nearby ASDA.
Apparently there is a lot of social network activity around Cardiff trying to organise a riot in the city.
An organised riot? It's almost laughable!
robin wood
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Of course there is always this option
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OK... so it just remains to be decided...
What is the best knife for the job? Do we go for a full scandi, convex? Or is this a role for the big chopper?
What is the best knife for the job? Do we go for a full scandi, convex? Or is this a role for the big chopper?
Very true. It's far to easy to harm an innocent who was just unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. The very people the police want to protect.
Can't... get... image... out... of... head...
spoon knife...dull spoon knife...
Happy place... going to my happy place... cool mountain stream... trout...
spoon knife...dull spoon knife...
Happy place... going to my happy place... cool mountain stream... trout...
It wouldn't have mattered who was in power this would still have happened. It's true, innit!!
Someone brought up social mobility. As a country we are one of the least socially mobile of all developed countries. You are more likely to stay at the level you are born into now than 100 years ago. Nice progress we've made. Still no excuse to riot. I can't remember who said this (or something like this) but if you resort to violence you have already lost your argument. The original rioters were not getting any support by rioting if indeed that is what they wanted. If it all started from a demonstration by the family, friends and community of the man shot by police in order to get to the truth of what happened then the use of violence was never going to work for that. Also by allowing it to get big it was always going to get hangers on and trouble makers which it did leading to a riot. If the community leaders who have been interviewed repeatedly saying it was always going to happen knew that then perhaps they should have discouraged that original protest march. Perhaps advised the family and friends to seek answers from the police in person either through direct communication or through a community leader with police contacts. What use are community leaders if they know this could happen but don't do anything to stop it before it gets out of hand.
Of course that is just my opinion and lack of trust of "community leaders" acting as talking heads for the media everytime something happens.
Someone brought up social mobility. As a country we are one of the least socially mobile of all developed countries. You are more likely to stay at the level you are born into now than 100 years ago. Nice progress we've made. Still no excuse to riot. I can't remember who said this (or something like this) but if you resort to violence you have already lost your argument. The original rioters were not getting any support by rioting if indeed that is what they wanted. If it all started from a demonstration by the family, friends and community of the man shot by police in order to get to the truth of what happened then the use of violence was never going to work for that. Also by allowing it to get big it was always going to get hangers on and trouble makers which it did leading to a riot. If the community leaders who have been interviewed repeatedly saying it was always going to happen knew that then perhaps they should have discouraged that original protest march. Perhaps advised the family and friends to seek answers from the police in person either through direct communication or through a community leader with police contacts. What use are community leaders if they know this could happen but don't do anything to stop it before it gets out of hand.
Of course that is just my opinion and lack of trust of "community leaders" acting as talking heads for the media everytime something happens.
Apparently Harrods are now thinking about relocating their exquisite store to Govan in Glasgow, apparently its a lot safer environment and there is a better class of AAA clients.
phil
phil
Unless your stone deaf I would venture to say you could hear if the area approaching was a dodgey one? Screaming, shouting, smell of petrol in the air, sirens, deaf or stupid actually not to turn around and get the flock out of there..
Fire off the water cannons, let rip the rubber bullet and gas the buggers. I've no time for these these ruffians, drop them off on some island off the coast of Scotland, drop them a few sheep from time to time, she how all the 'bros' get on together after a few weeks.
