London riots
- Thread starter Maggot
- Start date
-
Come along to the amazing Summer Moot (21st July - 2nd August), a festival of bushcrafting and camping in a beautiful woodland PLEASE CLICK HERE for more information.
Tunisia, Algeria, Jordan, Yemen, Bahrain, Egypt, Libya now London. I wonder which side the UN will come down on?
Gordy
Gordy
Not sure I agree. How do you explain Sam Walton? Born to a family of poor dirt farmers and raised in the Depression. Early jobs included waiting on tables and a paper route. Yet he built Walmartinto the largest retail chain on Earth. All BECAUSE of capitalism.
No, everybody won't make it to the top. But the point is EVERYBODY has an equal chance regardless of background.
BOD
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
I see your 1st grade conditioning served you well. It's probably true but some folk are more equal than others.
Sounds good in practice, but the reality is that for one who even moderately succeeds, 10,000 don't and just get by.
Frustration and resentment build. Society no longer has 'know your place' indoctrinated into it, thankfully, and the constant encouragement to buy, borrow, and have it all hype just adds more pressure.
No getting away from the reality on the ground, which is just so far beyond decent behaviour that those people cannot be considered anything but criminal now, but it is the understanding and easing of the social deprivation that will stop it happening again.
There are no jobs, not even waiting on tables, poor people don't get papers delivered, and those wealthy enough to do so have long established newsagents who are picky over who they employ.
When the bills coming in for rent, fuel and food overwhelm any attempt at budgeting, not just for the occasional week, or month after month, but for years at a time; the young scorn the rules of do not steal, do not damage property, etc..
It's not just a London phenomenon, but a worldwide one. That it is happening in a socially benevolent society is the biggest shock.
We do provide free at the point of treatment healthcare, for everyone.
We do provide social housing, though that's no longer available for all, but social services will provide rent and rates for those whose income falls below certain levels.
We do provide for those with young families.
We do provide good free schooling and meals for those in need, and clothing allowances.
Too many though, even with those aspects taken care of, are stuck in a no hope of change or improvement lifestyles and constantly bombarded with images of those who have it all.
Of all the hype of the folks who claim that benefit mentality needs to be destroyed, damned few live in inner city schemes and towerblocks where even our quiet wanders into countryside are totally unknown.
I work in an inner city area at times; folks are really the salt of the earth
but you know what their kids want to be when they grow up ?Drug dealers.
Because the drug dealers are the only ones in their society with money. Rolls of money in their pockets, designer gear, bling, respect, fancy cars, posh stuff in their houses, influence, holidays......
How do the police fight that ? It's engrained in their society.
Easy answers would be wonderful, but there aren't any.
With any luck the rain will drive them home and let things cool down, and then we see what new restrictions are going to be imposed on everyone in response
Heartfelt sympathy for those who don't want to be involved and have no choice.
Toddy
Perhaps it's because his father in law loaned him the money for his first store? All equal if you have rich relatives I suppose...
robin wood
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
They take to the streets for freedom, we take to the streets to relieve the boredom.
After 2 pages of "send the troops in" and "string em up" posts I was expecting a slating, glad I am not the only one who thinks it is a complex long term problem.
The immediate problem here is that policing is a bit like heavy horse handling, the horse is far stronger than you and the whole thing relies on tricking the horse into thinking you can control it, once it bolts once and finds how easy it is and how weak you are then it learns it can go whenever it wants. Not easy getting it back, needs a firm steady hand.
Kindle baby! it would pay for the police to monitor Amazon in the next few days!
robin wood
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
This was posted 9 days ago...."there is nothing to do here....there will be riots"
http://gu.com/p/3vyad
http://gu.com/p/3vyad
This is the sort of thing I would love to have a real debate about but it's too difficult on a forum as text can be very misleading......
As such I will share with you a Facebook page I just 'Liked', taken from the cult film 'Shaun of the dead':
"Going to the Winchester, and waiting for all this to blow over."
As such I will share with you a Facebook page I just 'Liked', taken from the cult film 'Shaun of the dead':
"Going to the Winchester, and waiting for all this to blow over."
Bet I could get a really good deal on an iPhone from ebay in the next couple of days
I'm in Hackney as I type, and everything seems fairly normal with the exception of a few more sirens and police than the average day. The only evidence I've seen is a branch of the Money Shop on Bethnal Green Road with it's front window smashed. Everyone has something to say on the matter down here, and the general consensus appears that the looting will continue until the police take a stronger approach.
i think it might have started as a gangsta riot, but other people joined in as well. coz people are just tired, and if they can't do nothing else, the least they can is show their anger. this picture says it all...
http://www.pravasitoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/london-riots.jpg
http://www.pravasitoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/london-riots.jpg
Last edited:
I think you could have picked a better example, IBM for instance, Wallmart are possibly one of the best examples of what is wrong with capitalism, anti-union, pushing suppliers to source products from outside the US, tax avoidance, meddling in politics (local and national) etc. etc.
It is a wild guess, but you are not black are you?
<-smiley face
