This mornings efforts ~ loser curves on these two and the second has seen an attempt to wave the edge and the addition of leaves (which has messed it up a bit). Still not right, but getting there ~ tbh, I think the pattern pieces will require tweaking a bit ...
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Again, thanks to all for looking and also for the input![]()
Thats MUCH closer (for me), its the ability to see the edge of the petals in the follow up that says to me "rose" rather than "Mr whippy"

The one thing I would suggest for a tiny improvement would be to have less curl on the centre most petals - when you look at a real rose they stand almost straight up in the centre, curling more as they approach the outer edge
I really like the new one though - just being a purist as you did ask for feedback

Really enjoying this thread and hope my comments come over in the spirit in which they are intended!