Just found this on the net and found it to be quite impressive.
http://www.multicampattern.com/about.htm
http://www.multicampattern.com/IMAGES.htm
http://www.multicampattern.com/about.htm
http://www.multicampattern.com/IMAGES.htm
Interesting camouflage
- Thread starter stotRE
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Sorry guys, not impressed, you can make most things look good as long as you take pictures of them in the correct enviroment.
Woodland Camo is designed for more dense coniferous type forests hence it will appear far too dark in any of these pictures, multi cam will appear much more effective just because it is lighter, but what would it look like at night under IR lighting conditions.
Australian Auscam is very good in reality (go figure), and so is the current German pattern in the correct enviroment.
The problems with most patterns are that the pattern is too small and or too dark, but in the end it is as much down to the individual to pick his route and as such the cover that will best suite him/her and that he/she can best use.
Woodland Camo is designed for more dense coniferous type forests hence it will appear far too dark in any of these pictures, multi cam will appear much more effective just because it is lighter, but what would it look like at night under IR lighting conditions.
Australian Auscam is very good in reality (go figure), and so is the current German pattern in the correct enviroment.
The problems with most patterns are that the pattern is too small and or too dark, but in the end it is as much down to the individual to pick his route and as such the cover that will best suite him/her and that he/she can best use.
Interesting... I followed one of the links and found a company that knocks up clothing and accessories. I liked their smock, and they do it in this multicam for $399 (£200 ?) and Olive Green for $339 (£170?). Not too bad for a quality item that's fairly unique.
http://www.dropzonetactical.com/clothing/reccesmock.html
http://www.dropzonetactical.com/clothing/reccesmock.html
The images are a bit unfair because the woodland camo that the guys wearing looks like it's fresh out of the QM's store.
Camoflage gear is always better when it's been washed a few times as it fades.
Still fairly impresive though.
The US Army are now issuing a new type of combats called the ACU( Army Combat Uniform) which has an all weather all terrain camouflage pattern.
Camoflage gear is always better when it's been washed a few times as it fades.
Still fairly impresive though.
The US Army are now issuing a new type of combats called the ACU( Army Combat Uniform) which has an all weather all terrain camouflage pattern.
stotRE said:
Yes mate I appreciate that, I have a little experience of DPM myself and could honestly say that once it has faded a bit it would look better, but most of the patterns that have been issued since world war 2 have been specific to enviroment and the woodland, like our pattern, was designed for the pine / spruce forests of northwest europe as that was where it was likely to see service.
From what I understand and from some of the stuff that I have seen, the new US patterns are pixelated with the idea of defeating NVD's, not a bad idea.
I have also seen patterns that have never really seen the light of day, one of which was an urban cam which was developed by a master sniper (a heavily qualified one at that) which in enviroment would knock spots off most if not all patterns that I have seen before or since.
Lighting and situation make a lot of difference and I had no problems spotting our friend in the pictures at all. This says a lot because if I can do it someone else can as well. As I said before good in a specific enviroment as was ASAT when it came out, along with numerous others.
It is a very interesting subject but to be honest, a soldier is usually surrounded by heavy armour or a land rover so a special camouflage is a bit of a gimmick.
Thats money better spent on better weapons or body armour.
(or even spent on making peace )
Thats money better spent on better weapons or body armour.
(or even spent on making peace
)
I agree that the problem with most camo patterns is that the pattern is so small.
Therefore try this link for going the other way
http://info.htcomp.net/bhs/sticksnlimbs.nsf/stickspics?openpage
http://www.bowhunting.net/sticks/snow.html#topsnow
Therefore try this link for going the other way
http://info.htcomp.net/bhs/sticksnlimbs.nsf/stickspics?openpage
http://www.bowhunting.net/sticks/snow.html#topsnow
most bushcrafters avoid camouflage patterns where possible except in situations where good quality hard wearing clothing can be found cheap at surplus stores, where it will invariably but unfortunately be camouflaged, which is a trade off for the money saved.
But how many of us would actually pay out to deliberately have are clothing camouflaged? And why?
we spend most of our time watching animals which are colour blind, and whilst we may where subdued colours to blend in with out environment, camouflage is usually counterproductive when it comes to maintaining a friendly image with those you will invariably meet in the outdoors.
But how many of us would actually pay out to deliberately have are clothing camouflaged? And why?
we spend most of our time watching animals which are colour blind, and whilst we may where subdued colours to blend in with out environment, camouflage is usually counterproductive when it comes to maintaining a friendly image with those you will invariably meet in the outdoors.
As Stuart said most of the time as bushcrafters just sensible clothes in earth tones do the job.
Camo normally goes hand in hand with the military, but recent developments on the other side of the pond have given us civillian camo patterns (made for the hunting market) which are usually very terrain specific, but don't look paramilitary.
The downside with these seems to be the price, most are very expensive.
Coincedentally(?) I just picked up some fabrics in two of these new patterns (Tree-bark & Predator) which I'm going to have a play with and see if they are al they are cracked up to be.
Neil
Camo normally goes hand in hand with the military, but recent developments on the other side of the pond have given us civillian camo patterns (made for the hunting market) which are usually very terrain specific, but don't look paramilitary.
The downside with these seems to be the price, most are very expensive.
Coincedentally(?) I just picked up some fabrics in two of these new patterns (Tree-bark & Predator) which I'm going to have a play with and see if they are al they are cracked up to be.
Neil
Stuart said:
I have been wearing dpm clothing for over 20 years whenever I'm in woodlands
I wear it because I like it. and because it's cheap and available to all, unlike the high cost outdoor clothing advocated by well known TV personalities
I am not a wouldbe squaddie never mind imitating our most elite and professional soldiers from the Special Air Services. I have seen other derogatory comments in this forum about use of dpm which are totally unfair - yobs can wear khaki and olive as well you know. These comments smack of snobbery to me...
Granted that animals see colour as a range of greyscales but they can also pick out the outlines of objects too. Mute browns, olives etc do help you blend in to the scenery but dpm breaks up the human ouline even further - that is fact - hence it's use by the miliary worldwide. For me this is important when I'm out snaring, hunting, or simply observing wildlife. I blend in with the environment.
I personally don't think that coming across someone in woodland with dpm on presents an unfavourable image, however seeing someone who may be wearing subdued colours, but has knives and axes hanging around their waist certainly does not conjure up a friendly image! (I do not carry a sheaf knife, only a folding knife in my pocket)
Wow, that 'sticks' cammo sure is effective! Reminds me abit of that Predator cammo.
Fire starter--- Wise words there. I love the design of the SAS smock, and would prefer an OG one, but can't afford one at the mo' so make do with a DPM one. Can't see a prob with that, if you pardon the pun!!
Stuart, I know where you are coming from with what you say, but some people do actually like DPM yet are not SAS wannabes. I have always liked the dark US tiger stripe pattern, just as a pattern itself and a fashion statement which I wear often around town in BDU jacket on it's own and sometimes just BDU trousers on their own, and of course, here in London, DPM was the height of fashon for urbanites last summer, although the price of the designer imitations of mil clothing made me laugh!!
Fire starter--- Wise words there. I love the design of the SAS smock, and would prefer an OG one, but can't afford one at the mo' so make do with a DPM one. Can't see a prob with that, if you pardon the pun!!
Stuart, I know where you are coming from with what you say, but some people do actually like DPM yet are not SAS wannabes. I have always liked the dark US tiger stripe pattern, just as a pattern itself and a fashion statement which I wear often around town in BDU jacket on it's own and sometimes just BDU trousers on their own, and of course, here in London, DPM was the height of fashon for urbanites last summer, although the price of the designer imitations of mil clothing made me laugh!!
stotRE said:
I mentioned it earlier, it doesn't look much, but is pretty effective. Since this was not set up as whether it is a bushcrafty thing or not I have taken it as to whether it is effective or not. Some are seasonal some are terrain specific and enviroment specific
Neil1 and I have chatted about it and he has a very good DPM pattern in mind, ask him if you want, I don't know if he has pictures or not.
There are some very good ones out there and others which are just that little bit too one thing or another.
For members of the armed forces it should be interesting even if you can't use it unless it is part of a ghillie suite
For real,your camo may not rely on a pre-printed pattern, but perhaps an accent,a donkey jacket and a lot of nerve.
That is the`world we live in.
I have used many camo patterns, in a bushcraft world, where rahges are one-way.
In many ways `the ultimate bushcrafter is the person who has had to leave no trace, against a real enemy, in this situation,fe can contribute, but many can listen.
neil
That is the`world we live in.
I have used many camo patterns, in a bushcraft world, where rahges are one-way.
In many ways `the ultimate bushcrafter is the person who has had to leave no trace, against a real enemy, in this situation,fe can contribute, but many can listen.
neil
I think Mulicam looks a wee bit less 'Military' and heres a link to a cheaper smock.
Anyone fancy splitting the postage Multicam Smock
Anyone fancy splitting the postage
Multicam Smock
I often stand in plain view of deer in the woods and we look at each other for two or three minutes before moving on.I never wear camo gear,I just stand very still.
Apart from the availability at affordable prices,I can't see any need for camo to Bushcrafters.
Apart from the availability at affordable prices,I can't see any need for camo to Bushcrafters.
