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seamonkey

seamonkey

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I'd be interested to know how this has been reported in other uk media - i can imagine the Sun proclaiming "terroist stockpiles in suburbia - do you know where your children are?"

Man held after Gun raid

I see the site has been taken down but a cached copy shows it to be quite interesting

fear and loathing

I am making the assumption that the chap was a registered dealer/collector.

is it legal for a uk based dealer to possess automatic weapons as stated in the news story?

Cheers
 
Hmm, it is always good to see that the legislation brought in after hungerford and dunblain cut down on the number of guns on the street, i now know why, they were all in a house in kent.
 
Yeah, the same sort of stuff is I the other media, it was an international raid so it would see that the guy was taking advantage of his position as a dealer to pass through some extra bits. There’s guys on here that are way more knowledgeable than me on gun law, they may be a long later. It’s a good haul though, I’ve not got a problem with people having a gun, as long as there’s good reason, I live in the country and I can see the need, when I lived in the city I couldn’t though :D (that’s not an opportunity for debate!)

It’s good that this has happened, the trouble in some respects though is that once the media have hold of it there’s another outcry for getting rid of everything, guns, knives, pea shooters, violin cases…. :D

Good job police men
 
If this stops (well it wont it will only slow thing down :rolleyes: ) people killing other people then it's a great thing i dont usually say this but as tony has said well done police men and women.
quote: "Guns are mounted on every available wall space in the property
can you imagine having the mother in law round to dinner how much dusting you would have to do plus picking the bullets up off the floor:eek:
 
Unfortunately this was only one stockpile,with links to the USA.

Most of the stuff on the streets is 9mm ex eastern europe in origin.

This raid is like shutting one sweety shop and saying the nation's teeth are now safe. :rolleyes:
 
My heart sank at this news as indeed it does whenever I hear of a new “shooting” in the UK. Very disappointing to learn this chap is a Home Office approved “Section 5” dealer who appears to have been unable to resist the opportunity to make some extra cash at the expense of the lives of others. If not that then I guess you couldn’t rule out him being forced into acting as key importer? That he was so unconcerned at making known his interest, as in his car’s registration number (E6 GUNS), could easily have attracted the wrong attention.

As Tony suggests this is a gift to the anti-gun lobby as, whether you like it or not, such lends weight to their argument that nobody should have firearms.

Guess you would expect me to comment on this but point not made with a view to furthering debate but rather as an acknowledgement of how slender is the thread that supports the continued legitimate ownership of firearms here in the UK.

And by the way my vehicle licence # is far more subtle!

Cheers
 
But what has he actually done wrong? to quote from the article ""Some may be legal, some may not be legal." Has he been charged with anything yet? (I've only seen the linked article)
 
well said Kane I noticed a large collection of Webley air pistols in a case on his wall and a lot of the kit looked like deactivated cack it will be interesting to see how much is dodgey. It seems a bit odd that someone who was being so open about his profession would be on the wrong side of the law. Perhaps he was getting cocky ?
 
I meant to add somwehre amongst my thoughts “if such is true” but, notwithstanding this omission, I would suggest he has done plenty wrong even if found not guilty of illegal import and sale.

Anyone who understands what is required of the holder of an FAC to comply with the conditions under which it is granted will have some idea of where I’m coming from. Just consider how this chap’s ‘collection’ of firearms & ammunition appears to have been stored as a starting point!

Hopefully we will eventaully get the full and factually correct storey behind this but don’t bank on it!

Cheers
 
Assuming that he had FACable (sorry but my vocabulary has deserted me!) kit outside of the correct storage then fair enough but that hasn't been proven, plenty of police have failed to distinguish between deactivated guns/ammo in the past after all. it seems odd that the police just walked up to the door and knocked if they thought he was a rampant supplier of deadly weapons to the underworld

"The man arrested opened the door to police wearing black boxer shorts while his wife was asleep upstairs."
 
I was a bit concerned about the way the police handled these" weapons" as they were loaded into the van, breeches closed and muzzles pointing at all parts of Dartford. I was trained to treat "weapons" differently to that.
 
Thanks for the replies,

be interesting to see where this story leads, it does smack of over reporting and dare i say it the police looking for a high profile media case.

However if it is at least 90% true then how could someone so openly abuse the right to hold a dealer cert even more so in this day and age.- When i lived in Scotland we handed in our legally held shotguns due to lack of use thus need and the increasing hassle of keeping them. As an aside there was a reported spat of people breaking into nearby farms usually from down south to rob the shotguns and carts.


wonders if he is a "borris the blade" character from snatch?
 
The man is a gun dealer who is careless about he way he uses his lock boxes. Looks like someone who got swamped to be honest.
I'm not saying he was safe, but the screaming banner headlines are just hysterical rabble rousing.
Pretty poor showing all round.

Cheers,
Toddy
 
This is very interesting and I believe will revolve around poorly drafted legislation and the interpretation of it.
The individual involved was not a mainstream firearms dealer much of his stock being antique and legitimate ‘off ticket’ firearms and shotguns along with a small quantity of what you might expect to find in any High Street gun shop.
The references to Section Five may cover a huge range of weapons types depending on the restrictions placed upon it and at this time cannot be speculated upon.
Where he may have fallen foul of the law is in regard to import/export of antique and legitimate ‘off ticket’ firearms and shotguns as this becomes a grey area in US legislation.
From what I have read it does not appear that he was selling weapons to criminals and I cant help thinking that this would have been better dealt with by a visit from the Home Office who will have issued his licence.
By the way if the police are looking for a hand to catalogue his collection I would volunteer some of the items were quite unique, one offs and prototypes that I hope don’t find their way to the crusher as so much of our firearms history has in the past.
 
I don't have a TV and can't be having with newspapers so I've not seen the pictures.

Did it look like the guns were in one room:did that room look it might be secure?

My point is,if you are handling a large volume of anything,it would be silly to have lots of little boxes screwed to the wall.Much better to have a room made into a "strong room",where all the gear can be left open.Some of my more well to do friends have "gun rooms" set up for just this purpose.

Don't know the facts obviously but perhaps the guy isn't as stupid as the reports make him out to be.

Does make a good "look what a good job we're doing" story though,don't it? ;)
 
From what I saw on the box they were on walls, propped against walls, on the floor, in glass cases on the furniture and anywhere else you could think of. It just didnt look like the "den" of a secretive, illegal, international arms dealer, more like a boot fair for guns.
 
GUNS!!

Dunno what you mean Guv'nor

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Seriously though... These are all my mates in Canada... He has a hunting business
 
The pictures i saw in the papers had the gun's out of the cabinets and littering the floor, may i suggest that these pictures were taken after the police had started their search? Pictures of deactivated M16 and pump action shotgun (totally legal Benelli Nova) being dragged out by flack jacket wearing copper stinks of the tabloid propaganda that the gun lobby love so much, no doubt the kensington old mothers association will be up in arms :deal:
 
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