How to buy Industrial Methylated Spirit (IMS)

[Phil562]

Guys, I'm missing something here, where is the download application form for the licence, be kind to me, I've been on strong painkillers for a week and my brain may be fuddled

PM me your email addy and I'll get it off to you tomorrow from work

 

[MagiKelly]

Guys, I'm missing something here, where is the download application form for the licence, be kind to me, I've been on strong painkillers for a week and my brain may be fuddled

Follow the link in the first post. That's this one

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/community/showpost.php?p=99889&postcount=1

and it is there. Top of the page.

 

[swyn]

I now have a licence to hold 20 litres of IDA. I had to increase my original 5 litre allocation as no-one would supply me with such a small amount. HMC in Glasgow were very happy to grant me this new limit as I explained the situation to them.
Some time later I recieved a questionaire from HMC requesting me to explain my useage, what it was for, where I kept the liquid and who were my suppliers. I'm sure that they are aware of the increase in licence requests and are just checking them through.
This is a superb replacement to meths as it burns hotter and does not black the pots. My 0.6 litre fuel cannister is plenty big enough for 5 days cooking/brews without running low.
Just a reccommendation if you are going for a licence.... check that your potential supplier will furnish you with less than 20 litres.... It does save a lot of faffing with pieces of paper!
Swyn.

 

[andy_pevy]

Just had a call from a very nice lady from HMCE asking about the wording that was used on the application form, she explained that they had noticed a pattern in the recent applications that they had received, and were interested where I got the words from. I explained that a number of friends had all applied for a pemit for basically the same reason and so we had duplicated the form.

She said that her 'experts' had thought that retail meths was a better thing to use, but I explained the sooting and blockages caused by the colourant were a real pain to us.

I await my permit.....

Andy Pevy

 

[Phil562]

Just had a call from a very nice lady from HMCE asking about the wording that was used on the application form, she explained that they had noticed a pattern in the recent applications that they had received, and were interested where I got the words from. I explained that a number of friends had all applied for a pemit for basically the same reason and so we had duplicated the form.

She said that her 'experts' had thought that retail meths was a better thing to use, but I explained the sooting and blockages caused by the colourant were a real pain to us.

I await my permit.....

Andy Pevy

I did wonder how long it would take them to cotton on

 

[MagiKelly]

I do not think there will be a problem. You can always explain to them that these stoves are designed to use the denatured alcohol without the colouring and that use with the coloured maths will invalidate the warranty.

Certainly my dealings, with anyone from customs, they have been very helpful.

 

[andy_pevy]

Hi Guys

Just received the letter from them saying no. Apparently, 'My proposed use has been not been approved by the Commissioners under the current regulations'.
I wonder if it is worth appealing based on the other approvals that have been given.

Andy

 

[Phil562]

Hi Guys

Just received the letter from them saying no. Apparently, 'My proposed use has been not been approved by the Commissioners under the current regulations'.
I wonder if it is worth appealing based on the other approvals that have been given.

Andy

I would appeal, go for it

MJ what do you think

 

[bikething]

Hi Guys

Just received the letter from them saying no. Apparently, 'My proposed use has been not been approved by the Commissioners under the current regulations'.
I wonder if it is worth appealing based on the other approvals that have been given.

Andy

I got the same reply this morning......
do you think they're getting bored with the paperwork we're generating ???

 

[MagiKelly]

I would be tempted to appeal and point out that these stoves are designed to run on Denatured Alcohol and that the dye interferes with the proper working of these stoves.

My original application was for using a Heat Pal 5100 so it was a different application anyway and I was able to provide a web link to the manufacturers site saying it ran on Denatured Alcohol. Anyone got a link to the Trangia site saying the same?

 

[bikething]

unfortunately, the trangia site uses the words "methylated spirits".

The Vargo site (triad / triad XE) uses the words "denatured alcohol" : http://vargooutdoors.safeshopper.com/73/1601.htm?521 - i have a triad XE too!

might try that.... or take some photos of a purple-crud covered trangia burner as an example of how the normal stuff clogs the burner..

 

[hartley]

just been reading this thread,i use denatured ethanol at work so always have a good supply.

if anyone has any problems sourcing the stuff im quite willing to help out(if folks can get to derby way) and long as they have a valid license

can let people have it at cost ie approx £0.60 per litre

 

[Scuba Pete]

IMS is just Industrial Methylated Sprits. Its the same thing, it just has no purple dye. Denatured alcohol is methylated spirits. Denatured just means that a substance has been added to the ethanol to make it unfit for human consumption (usually methanol, hence the name methylated spirits).

If it was pure ethanol it would be taxed like wiskey and cost the earth.

 

[Scuba Pete]

I would mention that the meths available to the public is of a poor quality and this affects the combustion as well as the dye causing staining of pots etc.

You could mention that you are using the meths to cook your food and provide warmth on your expeditions. You need the best fuel possible, that wont clog your stove or be difficult to light.

It’s just an idea.

 

[Doc]

Looks like a slightly gray area.

The rules say that Industrial denatured alcohol 'must not be used for heating, lighting or for the preparation of beverages'.

But they also say you can have it 'for use in small quantities (no greater than 20 litres per annum) in any specialised hobby or pastime where:
use of IDA is specified in technical or trade literature; and
the quantities received are reasonable having regard to the nature of the pursuit involved.'

Assuming you have technical literature supporting the use of IDA in a Trangia, then an appeal might be successful, but even then they may regard this as using IDA for 'heating', and therefore not allowed.

 

[MagiKelly]

As I say I got it for the Heat Pal which is a heater and there were no problems. I thought they meant for heating a building as opposed to a tent or boat.

 

[Scuba Pete]

That’s interesting. I should have read the terms and conditions of the licence. We use it at work, but in the lab environment so it’s not a problem for us.

I am sure there must be some use in bushcraft, perhaps as a cleaner where you don’t want to stain what you are cleaning. I will have to have a think about that one. I know I have used solvent etc when making knifes to ensure that the blade is clean etc.

Its a shame some have got it, and some not.

Its not difficult to purify it yourself if you have the equipment. Thats an idea, I might buy some purple meths and experment.

 

[MagiKelly]

If you were needing it fr when you were dyeing leather for sheaths or for use when you were staining woodwork it is not a problem In fact i found the original information on how to buy it on a painting site and get my supply from a french polishing supplier.

 

[Zammo]

I'd be interested to know whether Andy and Bikethings applications for the licence were used with the duplicate application that has been created.

Maybe they have a problem with people copying and pasting and thats why they turned down their applications.

 

[dommyracer]

the preparation of beverages

Perhaps this refers to the fact that you're not supposed to mix it with fruit juice and drink it?