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Janne

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Ships run on the sulfur laden Bunker Oil.
The exhausts are the worst possible for the Environment. Makes Diesel oil fumes 'fresh Alp air'.

So unfortunate for the travelers, but maybe good for Earth that the ferry does not start operating again.
 
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santaman2000

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I kinda doubt part of the author’s assertions. The part where he claims freight trucks drive millions of miles each year is quite plausible, probably even understated. However his claim that they drive many of those miles empty (without cargo) is laughable. No cargo means no profit (in fact it means a loss) and neither the large trucking companies nor the independent owner/operators are in business to lose money.
 

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Many trucks go empty or part empty.
For example, filled with fruit and veg from Spain north, mostly empty down to Spain.

I did post those examples to show that what we believe to be the truth is a bit more complicated.

Many of us worry about our impact on the wellbeing of nature, rightly so.
And try to do the correct thing. But do not in fact, because we do not have the knowledge or correct info. Despite seeing the dense smoke being emitted from cruise ships for many hours while anchored outside here, every single day, and I did not think about how bad they were in fact.

Want to go to Scandinavia in a sustainable way? Take the train.
The fastest way? Fly. Remember, the more seats that are filled on the flight, the less emissions per person.
If you do not want to fly because it damages the environment - fine, but the aircraft is still flying, without you. Same emissions.

All changes to our behaviour needs to be done by a very large percent of us to be efficient.
That aircraft where you will not sit need so few passangers and cargo it will be cancelled.

We all need to start thinking about the future, and act. All of us.
Eat fruit and veg grown and processed in the country we live in.
 
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santaman2000

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Ships run on the sulfur laden Bunker Oil.
The exhausts are the worst possible for the Environment. Makes Diesel oil fumes 'fresh Alp air'.

So unfortunate for the travelers, but maybe good for Earth that the ferry does not start operating again.
Most modern cargo vessels run on LNG.
 

santaman2000

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Many trucks go empty or part empty.
For example, filled with fruit and veg from Spain north, mostly empty down to Spain......
Many? Not even close. Even if your example is true, that’s one sequestered route. Negligible at worst.
 

Janne

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And the resulting acid rain was ( is) devastating for the eco system.
It was worse before most fuels were low sulphur, but the effects are still seen.

But your example shows how incredibly complex the problem is.
 
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Many? Not even close. Even if your example is true, that’s one sequestered route. Negligible at worst.
Many trucks go empty or part empty.
For example, filled with fruit and veg from Spain north, mostly empty down to Spain.

I did post those examples to show that what we believe to be the truth is a bit more complicated.

Many of us worry about our impact on the wellbeing of nature, rightly so.
And try to do the correct thing. But do not in fact, because we do not have the knowledge or correct info. Despite seeing the dense smoke being emitted from cruise ships for many hours while anchored outside here, every single day, and I did not think about how bad they were in fact.

Want to go to Scandinavia in a sustainable way? Take the train.
The fastest way? Fly. Remember, the more seats that are filled on the flight, the less emissions per person.
If you do not want to fly because it damages the environment - fine, but the aircraft is still flying, without you. Same emissions.

All changes to our behaviour needs to be done by a very large percent of us to be efficient.
That aircraft where you will not sit need so few passangers and cargo it will be cancelled.

We all need to start thinking about the future, and act. All of us.
Eat fruit and veg grown and processed in the country we live in.
Itink that's the difference between europ and america, one country, one language, loads to haul, compared with europe with specialised trucks such as dutch flowers and tomatoes shipped overnight for the mornings, back to holand within there shift, there are not many places open at 3am for loading, traffic is low and the trailer has to be back for the next afternoon . Uk traffic can tie a lorry up a great deal. Overnuightr 3 hour stints make the channel crossing very convineant for anywhere up to manchester and back.
 

santaman2000

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Itink that's the difference between europ and america, one country, one language, loads to haul, compared with europe with specialised trucks such as dutch flowers and tomatoes shipped overnight for the mornings, back to holand within there shift, there are not many places open at 3am for loading, traffic is low and the trailer has to be back for the next afternoon . Uk traffic can tie a lorry up a great deal. Overnuightr 3 hour stints make the channel crossing very convineant for anywhere up to manchester and back.
Possibly so with the specialty trailers. With most general cargo loads here we also don’t load/unload at the wee hours. The industry standard (in North America anyway) s to simply unhook from the trailer at it’s destination and rebook to a different full trailer going the opposite direction. The drivers get paid by the mile so they don’t wait for trailers to be loaded or unloaded. That said, the specialty trailers Such as you mentioned would need to be returned (likely empty as you say) to the tomato farm, gasoline refinery, etc, to be refilled. An exception to that (albeit only a partial exception) is the produce trailers tend to migrate with the harvest (tomatoes, watermelons, whatever, tend to ripen at different times across the continent) We begin harvesting watermelons in Mexico and shipping them north over th rest of the continent first and by the end of the season they’re being harvested from up north and shipped the other direction.

All this said, wouldn’t Europe’s better developed rail system take more of the general cargo load than the trucking system?
 
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Janne

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Years and years ago, in Sweden, I had a friend at the gun club that was a truck driver. Asked the same question about train transporting.
I recall he said a truck was far quicker. And could go from the Depot at the producing country to the destination without transferring the cargo.
 
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Janne

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I also recall he was no good at shooting. Hands shook, which (he told us) was due to the drugs he took to be able to do the trip in one go. 2 days of non stop driving, only stopping to refuel.
This was before those regulations they have now.
The quicker transport - the more money. Specially for strawberries, as they spoil so incredibly quickly.
 

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