Has the bubble burst?

santaman2000

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The link to Scout policy on knives says they should get “training” on their use. I assume the minimum age to get into Scouts is similar there as here (8 years old) I have a lot of difficulty imagining an 8 year old that doesn’t already know how to use a knife. Or an axe or saw for that matter. At least not the ones actually interested in Scouting my oldest garlands still isn’t that Great with an axe)
 
You have to remember that a lot of city children do not get a chance to gain experience in using knives properly because of the culture,
i don' think I need to enlarge you on that point,
and as for axes and bow saws they have no use in the city .
This is where organisations like the Scouts come in , they take young people to the countryside and will teach these skills in the correct environment after the correct risk assessment has been made.
I am an ex youth worker
 
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mousey

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cubs = 8 - 10.5. Scouts 10.5 - 14. Explorers 14-18 then 'Network'
Camps near me the scouts are allowed to use knifes, saws, hatchets for wood processing, some of the older ones [explorer] come along with chainsaws as they are now working arborist types :)

Cubs use knifes, saws and hatchets under close supervision.
 

santaman2000

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You have to remember that a lot of city children do not get a chance to gain experience in using knives properly because of the culture,
i don' think I need to enlarge you on that point,
and as for axes and bow saws they have no use in the city .
I live in a city yet I still use all those items regularly in the yard. I only recently gave away the chain saw due to my aging slowing down the heavier yard work.
I can still do (or that I still enjoy doing) Even city cultures cook and eat meat with knives, cut open boxes from Amazon, etc. “training” a kid to use a knife is usually coincidental to their learning to eat with a fork in most western cultures.
 
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santaman2000

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cubs = 8 - 10.5. Scouts 10.5 - 14. Explorers 14-18 then 'Network'
Camps near me the scouts are allowed to use knifes, saws, hatchets for wood processing, some of the older ones [explorer] come along with chainsaws as they are now working arborist types :)

Cubs use knifes, saws and hatchets under close supervision.
Same here now. It’s not US vs British culture I’n bemoaning as such (sorry if it sounded that way) It’s now vs back when common sense prevailed.
 

Countryman

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So much has changed here in the UK.

I was 9 years old when I got bought my first air rifle and roamed the foreshore with it near my family home in Lancing. By the time I was 14 I had moved to London but certainly owned a good sheath knife and enough kit to wild camp with my mate a year younger at Ruislip Lido Woods.

Well the rifle would be illegal, the knife would too and what parent would allow their kid to disappear off to overnights at 13.

I’m an ACF instructor now at 50. Our Fieldcraft weekends are often the first time kids have been away from home, or gone camping, or cooked for themselves. When they become senior cadets they can use a small pen knife but not cook on gas. H&S governs all we do.

I’ve qualified as a DofE Leader and Expedition Assessor. What an adventure this is with most kids! Getting them to engage in a real world rather than on line or social media is going to be the big challenge.

You can read in this thread and others the frustrations people have with the Bushcraft Scene but I’d say the same as I do about religion. Don’t fret about the messengers, listen to the message. Bushcraft or any adventure outdoors is what you make of it.

Can we, any of us, ensure the continuity of these traditional skills? No and internal bickering isn’t going to make it any more attractive.

The outdoors is there. Many organisations exist to facilitate access and necessary skills. We just have to motivate young people to log off and get stuck in. Ray and Bear have done their bit and TV is full of the kinds of shows that glamorise Bushcraft in one shape or form.


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Woody girl

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Think how crowded the wild areas would be if every one took up bushcraft... nightmare. ! Those that have an interest will gravitate towards it at some point in their lives when if they have a brain cell and a bit of getting up and go they realise there is more to life than buttons to press,and the ping of a microwave or doorbell pizza.
Yes it's great to get kids out and learning about nature but you can't force them. All you can do is provide opportunities and encouragement . We were so lucky when we were young the opportunity was there without any need to have it provided for us under supervision. Perhaps it's time to stop being so precious with children and stop feeding them I pads and violent games.
 

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A few years ago I was involved in a trial project which came under the heading of "Woodlands for Health". It covered a wide and varied range of subjects from plant recognition, wildlife, skills etc, and was targeted towards classes from junior schools, and adults in recovery from various forms of illness, sadly, for whatever reasons, it did not last. All those that joined in thoroughly enjoyed coming along, and learning something new. One of the things that did surprise me was the cost of overheads incurred by bureaucracy.
 
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Janne

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It is 'Now" and "Back then", for sure.

But we must not put any blame on the kids, It is us parent's fault, generally speaking.

I was the only parent that took my son into the English wilderness, camping and doing stuff, fishing, teaching him how to use a shotgun.

The only one, out of 15 or so.
The other dads were too tired in the weekends, after the weeks hard work in City....
They preferred to relax in the pub.
You might know which one, Sussex people. The Star in Old Heathfield, the one in Blackboys, Middle House in Mayfield, or The Cross in Crowborough.


I never took him to do any sports, the other boys dad took theirs. Before the pub rounds. In two dads case, between the .pub rounds.
He is still useless in most sports, but he did very well in rugby.
 
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Kepis

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I was 9 years old when I got bought my first air rifle and roamed the foreshore with it near my family home in Lancing.

Small world isn't it?, i'm in Sompting and when fit and well, roam the local fields with my air rifle, some things never change, many others do, you wouldn't recognise this place any more, its a ghost town compared to what it used to be.
 
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Janne

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The whole society is changing, nothing we can do to stop it.
Everything goes, the old values except. Those are bad and must be rejected! History condemned and rewritten!

Scouting changed in Sweden in mid 70's. Went from 'real' bushcrafting, to sitting in a cottage learning tracks from books, inbetween bible studies.
I kid you not, I was a Scout but quit because of that.
 

Woody girl

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When I'm fit and well...... kepis I hear you! Maybe we should start an armchair bushcraft club.! Must be old, knackered ,and yelp ouch ! or my knees! everytime we get out of a chair. Painkillers are mandatory in the fak along with ralgex.
Every conversation starts with... when I was young ...and fit. Must be considered by family as a grumpy old man or woman unless sat in their armchair by a fire in the woods. Oh so many ideas!
 
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Countryman

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Small world isn't it?, i'm in Sompting and when fit and well, roam the local fields with my air rifle, some things never change, many others do, you wouldn't recognise this place any more, its a ghost town compared to what it used to be.

Much of the places of my youth are.

Even the pubs I drank in as a young man are flats.

Old, old old





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Fadcode

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less of the Old Old Old, you are only as old as you feel, and I feel like a 18 year old (female preferably...lol) despite my advanced years, tomorrow I will be roaming on Dartmoor, in pain no doubt, but pain is only a memory, and a good day out roaming is a memory to cherish,
There will no doubt be quite a few families walking about on Dartmoor, as the kids are off school this week, and its nice to see them out and about, even if it's only to take the dog for a walk.
 
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Nomad64

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We are extremely free to roam the beach, up to the High Water Mark.
Camping the beaches is a local tradition here on Easter weekend.
That is when the Caymanians move the household to the large tents they erect.
Fridges, cookers, you would be surprised!! All Propane fired.

To roam free in the Caymanian bush is legal, so yes, we do have some sort of freedom to do that.
Would I?
Never. Too hot, nothing to see.
Parts are so called Ironshore rock. Fossilized reef.
Will shred your boots, flip glops and feet in less than 25 meters.
I tried, ruined the trainers in about 10 meters.

We do have quite a few people that, you could say, do bushcrafty things, or oldfashined handwork.
Cool stuff.
My favourite is a character that makes cool jewelery from local Black Coral.

When I tell local people what I do up in Norway you can see in their eyes they think I am mad.

Woody Girl, no worries!

I am used to him by now. It feels good that he admires my lifestyle, sense of humor and generous personality!
The best one was when he implied I was some sort of illegal money laundering drug baron, depriving decent countries of much needed tax income, (I assume so people like him could be on benefits?)
That one was cool!

@Janne, I missed this little missive! :)

Taking your last point first, no, I am not (and never have been) “on benefits”. However, many good people (including a significant number of men and women who have served in this country’s armed forces), through no fault of their own do find themselves reliant on state benefits at some point in their lives. I hope that you not the type of person who thinks that someone is of less worth as a person or that their opinion is less valid because they are suffering financial hardship.

The benefits I do enjoy these days are those that come from being outdoors pretty much from sun up to sun down - priceless. :)

I don’t recall ever suggesting that you were anything as glamourous and exciting as a “drug baron”, merely that it would be nice if some of the £billions lost to the UK tax authorities through dubious arrangements using offshore tax havens like the Caymans could be reclaimed and used to fund education in the UK. I am happy to accept that you are just a dentist - but then again IIRC, Don Corleone was just a humble olive oil merchant! ;)

Anyway, back to “right to roam” - so you didn’t like walking in the UK because you did not have the unfettered right to walk anywhere you wanted so you chose to move to a small island where there is a right to roam but you don’t like walking there because it is too hot and there is nothing to see. A cynic might suggest that actually deep down you don’t really like walking. It seems to me that despite your claimed passion for bushcrafting and the outdoors, you have effectively condemned yourself to being an armchair/keyboard bushcrafter for 11 months of the year.

Happy to be proved wrong and will await with interest the trip report of your next “mad” expedition to Norway - hopefully there will be some multi day treks to whet people’s appetites and lots of pictures, kit lists (people on here love them :)), route descriptions, maps, locations of campsites etc. :)

On the subject of pictures (and/or virtue signalling/w!lly waving), while I could never hope to match your heroism in re-establishing a route up the hostile north face of Crowborough in East Sussex, I did come across a few pictures from my days managing a National Park in Africa. Small beer by comparison with your efforts but this involved locating and restoring overgrown trails in the bush, replacing hundreds of old signposts and rebuilding bridges sabotaged by ivory poachers to frustrate anti-poaching patrols. I didn’t do it all on my own I did have local assistance.

I even got my ugly mug in a book someone wrote about the area - I’m the paler one without the M16! :)

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It is of course hot in Africa (some parts make the Caribbean seem postively chilly) but sitting in an air conditioned room is not an option if there is no electricity (and IMHO a bad idea anyway) so you get out, acclimatise and get on with it.

Anyway, looking forward to the Norway report and pix - if only to provide tangible proof that you are not a 13 year old trolling us from his bedroom! ;)
 

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santaman2000

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Small world isn't it?, i'm in Sompting and when fit and well, roam the local fields with my air rifle, some things never change, many others do, you wouldn't recognise this place any more, its a ghost town compared to what it used to be.






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When I'm fit and well...... kepis I hear you! Maybe we should start an armchair bushcraft club.! Must be old, knackered ,and yelp ouch ! or my knees! everytime we get out of a chair. Painkillers are mandatory in the fak along with ralgex.
Every conversation starts with... when I was young ...and fit. Must be considered by family as a grumpy old man or woman unless sat in their armchair by a fire in the woods. Oh so many ideas!
I think this might have a lot to do with why we’re seeing fewer threads/posts from old friends here on the forum. We’re all getting older and slowing down.

Edited for spelling/typos
 
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