Habitat with most odds off obtaining all your wild food needs in the U.K.
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No they weren't. Their lives were hard and short, and most of their children died before their fifth birthday.
It's the modern technological carbs that are the problem , wholegrains are good though brown seedy bread gives better energy levels than white ect.
Does this apply to the hadza native Americans and aboriginals jungle indians and 3rd world fishing cultures to the children look healthy and the elders look old.
It's overly refined foods that can be 'empty calories'. That said though, refining isn't always a bad thing.
If you don't refine then your teeth suffer....not just the grit in hand ground flour caused the problems, but the bran itself is rich in silica, and that silica does a number on teeth and guts.
Honestly ? variety, and personally seasonality matters.
If you don't refine then your teeth suffer....not just the grit in hand ground flour caused the problems, but the bran itself is rich in silica, and that silica does a number on teeth and guts.
Honestly ? variety, and personally seasonality matters.
Those people eat variety, and in season, and the vast majority of children born died in infancy.
100% rye bread and black barley have not affected teeth silica is a v important mineral
So they are healthier by default, more variety I disagree with the vast majority off children dying. Most tribes give birth squatting a much better and effective birthing method than western hospitals ,the mother off my daughter gave birth the same way.
You not listening and you're determined that somehow living uncivilised is healthier.
For the vast majority, they'd be dead.
Most children born never actually got to walk. That's hard cold fact.
Historically in many cultures babies weren't even named until the parents felt they were going to live. Also hard cold fact.
Giving birth is not any safer squatting, giving birth without good care is a often a deathly thing.
Women died, and die, even with all our care, in childbirth even today.
Enormous strides have been made in the care of birthing mothers, and frankly comments like your's are offensive to any woman who has given birth.
Our babies are born with comparatively big heads, our pelvis' have changed to accomodate, but it's tight, it's very tight, and the pelvis has limitations because we walk upright.
Birthing position in the past is one of those cultural things.
Until recent times women here gave birth in a birthing chair/stool.....and we know from archaeology that those 'chairs' have a long provenance world wide.
I know of cultures where women give birth while resting against another woman, who holds her through the pain of contractions and helps 'push' too.
I know of cultures where women go alone to a quiet place and just let their body get on with it, and hope that they don't bleed out, that the baby is not entangled in it's cord, that the baby lives, that they aren't 'stuck', that the afterbirth comes out clean and whole.....
Go and read up on some basic gynacology instead of spouting mince.
For the vast majority, they'd be dead.
Most children born never actually got to walk. That's hard cold fact.
Historically in many cultures babies weren't even named until the parents felt they were going to live. Also hard cold fact.
Giving birth is not any safer squatting, giving birth without good care is a often a deathly thing.
Women died, and die, even with all our care, in childbirth even today.
Enormous strides have been made in the care of birthing mothers, and frankly comments like your's are offensive to any woman who has given birth.
Our babies are born with comparatively big heads, our pelvis' have changed to accomodate, but it's tight, it's very tight, and the pelvis has limitations because we walk upright.
Birthing position in the past is one of those cultural things.
Until recent times women here gave birth in a birthing chair/stool.....and we know from archaeology that those 'chairs' have a long provenance world wide.
I know of cultures where women give birth while resting against another woman, who holds her through the pain of contractions and helps 'push' too.
I know of cultures where women go alone to a quiet place and just let their body get on with it, and hope that they don't bleed out, that the baby is not entangled in it's cord, that the baby lives, that they aren't 'stuck', that the afterbirth comes out clean and whole.....
Go and read up on some basic gynacology instead of spouting mince.
Birth is a natural process it's not 100% certain you will die without hospitals that's a fact it's also not uncivilised to decide not to use one plenty off people dont.
Again, you're not listening.
Will you listen to the World Health Organisation ?
About 287 000 women died during and following pregnancy and childbirth in 2020. Almost 95% of all maternal deaths occurred in low and lower middle-income countries in 2020, and most could have been prevented.
www.who.int
Will you listen to the World Health Organisation ?
About 287 000 women died during and following pregnancy and childbirth in 2020. Almost 95% of all maternal deaths occurred in low and lower middle-income countries in 2020, and most could have been prevented.
- Every day in 2020, almost 800 women died from preventable causes related to pregnancy and childbirth.
- A maternal death occurred almost every two minutes in 2020.
- Between 2000 and 2020, the maternal mortality ratio (MMR, number of maternal deaths per 100 000 live births) dropped by about 34% worldwide.
- Almost 95% of all maternal deaths occurred in low and lower middle-income countries in 2020.
- Care by skilled health professionals before, during and after childbirth can save the lives of women and newborns.
Maternal mortality
WHO fact sheet on maternal mortality with key facts and providing information on MDG 4, where deaths occur, causes, lack of care and WHO response.
I'm sure older experiences women helped and knew just as much about this natural process, the ultra reliance on medical help just shows how domesticated humans have become.Again, you're not listening.
Will you listen to the World Health Organisation ?
About 287 000 women died during and following pregnancy and childbirth in 2020. Almost 95% of all maternal deaths occurred in low and lower middle-income countries in 2020, and most could have been prevented.
- Every day in 2020, almost 800 women died from preventable causes related to pregnancy and childbirth.
- A maternal death occurred almost every two minutes in 2020.
- Between 2000 and 2020, the maternal mortality ratio (MMR, number of maternal deaths per 100 000 live births) dropped by about 34% worldwide.
- Almost 95% of all maternal deaths occurred in low and lower middle-income countries in 2020.
- Care by skilled health professionals before, during and after childbirth can save the lives of women and newborns.
Maternal mortality
WHO fact sheet on maternal mortality with key facts and providing information on MDG 4, where deaths occur, causes, lack of care and WHO response.
I am told by a person who has studied such matters, that within the decade, a person born male, will give birth.
And thusly become as egoistic as a woman.
Also, in this same timeframe, a baby will come to term artificially.
Thusly being born egoistic.
And thusly become as egoistic as a woman.
Also, in this same timeframe, a baby will come to term artificially.
Thusly being born egoistic.
We're serious though.
Childbirth is not, and most definitely was not, guaranteed.
Indeed research shows a distinct difference in the mortality of hunter gatherer young women compared to numbers of of males of the same age......that's childbearing years.
The figures are scary.
"Considered collectively, the risk of death during the years from about 18 to 24 years of age is twice as high for women as for men."
There are entire libraries of research on human history, on human pre history.
We're not just trying to be difficult or argumentative.
It's very genuine.
The hunter gatherer average life expectancy was about 33.
Ours is more than double that.
Most hunter gatherers died of infection. Something that we think of as simple a diarrhoea kills.
If you're seriously unwell you can't hunt or forage. If you have farmed and stored food though, you have a chance, if you can get over the dehydration.
Babies generally didn't. Even now, in other countries without our first world health care, babies die of infections like those.
Knowledge is a very good thing, but applying it in practical ways is often better.
Childbirth is not, and most definitely was not, guaranteed.
Indeed research shows a distinct difference in the mortality of hunter gatherer young women compared to numbers of of males of the same age......that's childbearing years.
The figures are scary.
"Considered collectively, the risk of death during the years from about 18 to 24 years of age is twice as high for women as for men."
There are entire libraries of research on human history, on human pre history.
We're not just trying to be difficult or argumentative.
It's very genuine.
The hunter gatherer average life expectancy was about 33.
Ours is more than double that.
Most hunter gatherers died of infection. Something that we think of as simple a diarrhoea kills.
If you're seriously unwell you can't hunt or forage. If you have farmed and stored food though, you have a chance, if you can get over the dehydration.
Babies generally didn't. Even now, in other countries without our first world health care, babies die of infections like those.
Knowledge is a very good thing, but applying it in practical ways is often better.
It's quite complex, and there's a couple of ways of seeing it.
One is modern vs oldtimes- and to be sure, we are very fortunate in having antibiotics, surgery, pain relief, hot running water, soap, easily laundered clothing, warm houses and a steady reliable food supply with all basic vitamins needed.
Chidbirth is an inherently dangerous process (natural does not equal safe!), always has been, and maternal mortality only really started to drop in the past 100 years or so in the West. "Life expectancy" is a difficult thing to compare because childhood was so risky; but if you survived childhood, a male would often live to a reasonable age whereas a woman had to survive multiple childbirths too so on average lived less long than a male (assuming non-warfare conditions).
Then there's a comparison of hunter gather/pastoral vs sedentary agriculture from the same era. Here, the evidence tends to indicate that the pastoralists/hunter gatherers tended to be healthier than the farmers.... but it's not necessarily just due to what they were eating. Much depends on the crops grown, whether the farming includes livestock/milk, plus the social structure. Peasants vs free farmers, how much "tribute" does the local "lord" take, are the peasants left with only the low nutrition remains? How early are girls married, what age do they have their first child? Are females fed last and only getting the low-nutrition leftovers (as still happens in some parts of the world)?
There's also a tendency for hunter-gathers and pastoralists to have children later and more widely spaced; practically, when you're on the move, it's difficult to have more than one child per mother who cannot walk themselves along. In settled communities, the children could be weaned earlier (breastfeeding tends to prevent conception) and every pair of hands put to work early on.
Another aspect is the discrepancy between egalitarian structures and hierarchical structures. Nomadic bands based on a family unit tend to be more egalitarian and fixed agriculture more hierarchical (Jared Diamond has some good books looking at this stuff). Egalatarian = everyone (including women) gets a fair share of food.
Both hunter gathers and farmers were prone to dying of disease. Most of our common endemic diseases evolved from livestock...... or were linked to storing grain (there's a whole lot of nasty rodent-carried diseases). With a larger fixed group, disease can form reservoirs and become endemic rather than wiping out a small nomadic band and spluttering out.
Finally, anyone who has cats will know that a feral (basically wild) cat which is an outdoor "whole" Tom is doing well to live much beyond 7 years, whereas the same cat reared/living indoors, neutered and with vet treatment as required can often live to 18 years or more.
Wild vs domesticated: there's pros and cons to each, and the preference you end up with is really a personal choice.
GreyCat
One is modern vs oldtimes- and to be sure, we are very fortunate in having antibiotics, surgery, pain relief, hot running water, soap, easily laundered clothing, warm houses and a steady reliable food supply with all basic vitamins needed.
Chidbirth is an inherently dangerous process (natural does not equal safe!), always has been, and maternal mortality only really started to drop in the past 100 years or so in the West. "Life expectancy" is a difficult thing to compare because childhood was so risky; but if you survived childhood, a male would often live to a reasonable age whereas a woman had to survive multiple childbirths too so on average lived less long than a male (assuming non-warfare conditions).
Then there's a comparison of hunter gather/pastoral vs sedentary agriculture from the same era. Here, the evidence tends to indicate that the pastoralists/hunter gatherers tended to be healthier than the farmers.... but it's not necessarily just due to what they were eating. Much depends on the crops grown, whether the farming includes livestock/milk, plus the social structure. Peasants vs free farmers, how much "tribute" does the local "lord" take, are the peasants left with only the low nutrition remains? How early are girls married, what age do they have their first child? Are females fed last and only getting the low-nutrition leftovers (as still happens in some parts of the world)?
There's also a tendency for hunter-gathers and pastoralists to have children later and more widely spaced; practically, when you're on the move, it's difficult to have more than one child per mother who cannot walk themselves along. In settled communities, the children could be weaned earlier (breastfeeding tends to prevent conception) and every pair of hands put to work early on.
Another aspect is the discrepancy between egalitarian structures and hierarchical structures. Nomadic bands based on a family unit tend to be more egalitarian and fixed agriculture more hierarchical (Jared Diamond has some good books looking at this stuff). Egalatarian = everyone (including women) gets a fair share of food.
Both hunter gathers and farmers were prone to dying of disease. Most of our common endemic diseases evolved from livestock...... or were linked to storing grain (there's a whole lot of nasty rodent-carried diseases). With a larger fixed group, disease can form reservoirs and become endemic rather than wiping out a small nomadic band and spluttering out.
Finally, anyone who has cats will know that a feral (basically wild) cat which is an outdoor "whole" Tom is doing well to live much beyond 7 years, whereas the same cat reared/living indoors, neutered and with vet treatment as required can often live to 18 years or more.
Wild vs domesticated: there's pros and cons to each, and the preference you end up with is really a personal choice.
GreyCat
Hmm the native Americans were hyper skilled in natural medicines though I think health problems really started with farming wild food is ultimately way more nutritious .Fruit has been bred to have obscene amounts off sugar small berries have not been messed about with as much thankfully. Domestic strawberries don't count there huge compared to wild ones.
No they haven’t. That’s a very common ‘internet’ myth.
https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/08/26/fruit-much-higher-sugar-it-used-be-14243
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