Grind Angles?

[Jus_like_that]

Hi everyone!

I've got a woodlore, which is beautiful BUT I sometimes think that the angle of the edge isn't fine enough, struggles on deeper/power cuts and finer detail.

I checked the angles against a gatco sharpener and its 30 degrees.

So my questions are, what angle is yours?

AND

How can I change the angle accurately? Is there a formula i can use with a home made jig?

Thanks in advance!

 

[Jacko]

Great question!!! Cant tell you the answers but a question that will interest me as well is the angles and the home made jig. Ive seen Green Pete's vids but wondered if there is another way of doing this, esp' against a belt sander, etc?
Hope you get the answers!!! :You_Rock_

 

[mick spain]

Thats a question a lot of people ask, but you are right with the Woodlore bevel angle 30 degrees, usually when i make my bushies I go for 25 degrees or somwhere between 25 - 27 degrees unless the customer asks other wise
I find it makes for better slicing in a 4mm thick blade, & better wood carving

Changing the angle can be a bit difficult but I would suggest just do it over a period of time when sharpening

 

[robin wood]

I would suggest the woodlore is designed as a big heavy knife with a very robust edge. A one knife to do the job of skinner, axe, woodcarver, it is by definition jack of all trades master of none. Changing 30 to 25 say would slightly improve matters for some jobs but would make it more fragile at the edge and you will still be hampered by the depth and thickness of the blade.

I would suggest keeping your woody as it is and buying a frosts 106 sloyd for finer and detailed work. They cost £10 come zero ground at 25 degrees and are a superb woodcarving knife.

 

[Jus_like_that]

I have a Mora 137, which is an awesome carver! and thanks for the sugestion robin, think i'll have to invest in the 106! whats the handle like size wise? And where can i find one?

Still would like the reduce the grind angle on my woody! 25-27 is what i'm aiming for, can see myself getting through a couple of stones before I get the desired effect!

 

[jojo]

I inflicted this setup on a small cheap belt grinder: needs a bit of refining but it works quite well.

I agree with Robin.

The knife-that-can-do-everything is a marketing man's ploy to make you part with your money. it don't exist!

If I were you, I'd sell the Woodlore, get rich and buy a large handful of real knives!

 

[Jus_like_that]

Nice setup, good idea!

If I were you, I'd sell the Woodlore, get rich and buy a large handful of real knives!

LOL! I'm tempted, I really am!

 

[DKW]

Changing the angle is a skill you need to learn by doing.
Basically its not different from sharpening in day to day use. Requres a steady hand, and a keen eye or a trained "feel".

I usually sharpen my knives between 20-25 degrees. My axes 25-30 unless is an axe for fine cuts. Then its back to 20-25 degrees again.

Generally i prefer a scandigrind (if i got the english terms right, that is) wih a secondary bevel.
If its done right, you would see the angles you ave made very easily in the reflections.

Ok. Very "for dummies" this post, but hey

 

[ZDP-189]

That's a great jig. Better dial the speed down though.

 

[NatG]

i like between 22 and 25 degrees for a general purpose knife

 

[sam_acw]

That combined with it being such a thick blade must make it a real headache. Most of my scandi-style knives are 2.5-3mm. I have a custom skinner that is nearly 6mm at the widest point- way too thick but still a nice knife - ironically it is meant to be a Nessmuk so is only 3x thicker than would be logical!

 

[Hoodoo]

I would suggest the woodlore is designed as a big heavy knife with a very robust edge. A one knife to do the job of skinner, axe, woodcarver, it is by definition jack of all trades master of none. Changing 30 to 25 say would slightly improve matters for some jobs but would make it more fragile at the edge and you will still be hampered by the depth and thickness of the blade.

I would suggest keeping your woody as it is and buying a frosts 106 sloyd for finer and detailed work. They cost £10 come zero ground at 25 degrees and are a superb woodcarving knife.

Gonna agree with Robin on this one. If you do a lot of woodcarving, you should use a knife optimized for that.

 

[Peter_t]

what is the angle on a basic mora? because im forever roleing the edge on mine but then i do like to batton it alot

pete

 

[Draven]

what is the angle on a basic mora? because im forever roleing the edge on mine but then i do like to batton it alot

pete

The mora clipper has a primary bevel of about 23-24 degrees IIRC, but as Robin detailed in THIS thread, they come with a secondary microbevel putting the actual cutting angle at about 34 or thereabouts. I use a Jonsson mora knife (4 1/4" blade) with a primary bevel of about 16 degrees, but again it has a secondary microbevel. The microbevel isn't ideal for woodcarving, but I've just bought the sloyd for that The microbevel does make for a great all-rounder IMO with a very tough edge that's very easy to touch up to shaving sharp again.

I'd also sell the woodlore though, and get a Sloyd, wooden-handled Mora and Axe

Atb
Pete

 

[Jus_like_that]

I've got the mora the axe and a saw, but the missus bought the woodlore, bit of a sticky subject, keep getting " why you takin that cheap knife out again after the one I bought ya!" the answer is always, "I'd hate to lose it lovey!" :-s So just wanna make it more usable for my needs and keep the missus off my back, of course though the major carving projects get the Mora treatment. Been playing around with the waterstone today, but bloody hell its a long process! Wet and dry might be on the cards I think!

 

[novembeRain]

My setup's the same sort of idea as jojo's, the major downfall of it is you can't use it on a knife with a handle (the handle gets in the way).


ZDP-189, why would you dial the speed down?

 

[Draven]

I've got the mora the axe and a saw, but the missus bought the woodlore, bit of a sticky subject, keep getting " why you takin that cheap knife out again after the one I bought ya!" the answer is always, "I'd hate to lose it lovey!" :-s So just wanna make it more usable for my needs and keep the missus off my back, of course though the major carving projects get the Mora treatment. Been playing around with the waterstone today, but bloody hell its a long process! Wet and dry might be on the cards I think!

Ahh fair point - I tell ya, annoying as that may be, she must really love you

Atb
Pete

 

[brancho]

Been playing around with the waterstone today, but bloody hell its a long process! Wet and dry might be on the cards I think!

I would pay an expert to do this for you if the situation is that bad.

My actual advice is sell it and get what you want with the money and take the wife out for a meal with the change if you havent made a mess of it.

 

[Jus_like_that]

Might be an idea, any sugestions who i should contact?