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Mar 1, 2011
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Fife, Scotland
Hey.

I am looking to buy a new knife. I currently have a Mora carbon clipper but i wan't something that is full tang, Traditional style, 4 to 5 inch blade, High carbon steel that is good enough for splitting small branches.

Budget is very limited so any cheap decent durablity blades you could recommend would be greatly appreciated.
 
You would need to give some indication of your budget, I think, for this to be a useful discussion.

There's nothing wrong or "second class" about Mora Clippers though - they won't let you down.

You'll have to kick the budget up quite a bit from Clipper level to buy a decent full-tang, I would say...

Rat
 
Most Helle knives start off between £40 and £50 pounds, and they're good blades, as is the Karesuando Boar, again priced between £40 and £50.
If your budget's any less I'd be tempted to stick with the clipper. As Rat says they won't let you down, and in terms of price they punch way above their weight.
As I say, if you have a very tight budget, I'd be tempted to stick with the knife you have, get good at sharpening it and maybe ask a leather worker on here if they'll make you a good sheath for it.

Josh
 
Yeah budget is max £50 at the moment.

I agree the clipper for the price is exceptional, i have put it through a lot and no damage yet. I am concerned about it breaking if i try to chop small branches as its not full tang. Though i have chopped with it before.

I only carry, a knife a good lengh of paracord and a ferro rod with me when outside and usually a canteen cup. This is why i would prefer a full tang good quality blade.
 
Most knife breakages are a failure of materials (sometimes in relation to excessive load, usually from the side) which would be an identical issue whether your knife was full tang or not.

Under normal use a general purpose outdoors knife should be no stronger or weaker whether full or hidden tang. The difference, such as it is, is only usually apparent on larger knives under greater stress and those knives should be a few points softer anyway, to minimise the chance of damage.

I make hidden tang knives almost exclusively and have done for many years now, and I've not had one fail yet. The have been made almost exclusively like that in the Scandinavian countries for a very long time, and they seem to have few issues to report. Faulty materials aside, if you break one, it's normally because you're doing something stupid with it (that's not directed at you personally by the way).

Interestingly, most swords, Kukris, and parangs are hidden tang too...

Most full-tang knives have a load of holes drilled through the tang or a large slot milled into its length to remove weight and assist in glue-up. Ironic, isn't it, that the perceived advantages of full-tang v hidden tend to mostly overlook the removal of a lot of material in this way.

You aren't guaranteed any integrity regarding your knife if you start kicking the tar out of it, regardless of how much you pay, and those folks who are asking for knives hardened to 61 and over and then expect to baton them without incident are inviting failure by building it in. Hard use knives should always be a little softer, while out-and-out slicing knives can be noticeably harder. It's tough to argue with the more salient physical properties of steel that has been subject to heat treatment...

If it concerns you that much, why not buy a second Mora and carry it as a backup, or start carrying a hatchet for the heavier chopping and keep your knife in one piece ?

You'd have to be the least lucky person on the planet to screw two of them up...

:)

Just my opinion, for the little it is worth.
 
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I have to say that I prefer full tang knives. But only from an aesthetic viewpoint. I have owned many full tangs and hidden tangs, as well as half tangs like the Moras. Honestly in terms of usability I can see no discernable difference. If the half tang is well made (as the Moras definitely are) then they are just as good as a well made full tang or stick tang.
 
Thankyou both for the info. I have both a hatchet and a golok which are great for chopping.

Due to my style and beliefs of bushcraft i don't like to carry the hatchet or the golok, as i believe in lightness and from a mechanical perspective( though i'm no expert tang seems like a better choice( please correct me if wrong)
 
Yeah budget is max £50 at the moment.

I agree the clipper for the price is exceptional, i have put it through a lot and no damage yet. I am concerned about it breaking if i try to chop small branches as its not full tang. Though i have chopped with it before.

I only carry, a knife a good lengh of paracord and a ferro rod with me when outside and usually a canteen cup. This is why i would prefer a full tang good quality blade.

mate, ive broken full tang knives battoning, however stick tangs, even little ones have stood up to the same tasks with no problems, stick tangs are stronger, take a look at swords, kukris, leukus, billhooks, they are all chopping tools designed to cope with a large ammount of stress, if stick tangs wernt up to the job then they wouldnt be used.
 
OK, the theory is that a full tang is stronger and often it will be, but not always, and a whole load of variables come into play which are about as interesting as watching paint dry to discuss :D

Those variables can include how well the shoulders of the hidden tang were rounded and finished prior to heat treating to avoid stress fractures during quench and before first temper, and to encourage good stress distribution under load, how well any holes were countersunk to avoid similar issues, the time between quench and first temper, whether or not the blade was cryo treated (which is about the best stress reliever there is for steel and the main reason why I soak most of my blades for 24 hours in liquid nitrogen), whether the window of oportunity to get the blade down below its critical range on quenching was actually hit square on (which can be the single biggest cause of introducing stresses into the steel) and whether...

You get the idea.

I'd ask in return, how strong is strong enough or, instead, maybe we should ask how do you consider your current knife to be below the bar ?

This comes largely down to use and, while I can admire anyone who goes minimalist (been there, done that), you can't get away from the simple fact that any knife you can easily carry and handle is normally a slicing tool by definition. Unless we are talking about much larger knives, they aren't for chopping.

Just because you can baton with a knife does not necessarily mean that you should. That's what saws, hatchets and machetes are for.

Over the last few years I've seen a few spectacular breakages and, if you refer to my post above regarding blade hardness in relation to heavy use, a knife intended for hard batoning should be several points softer than a slicing knife. If it isn't, sooner or later you're going to get a nasty shock.

A friend of mine recently had a very expensive and well known full tang knife break on him during his first outing when batoning with it, and I can think of three similar instances that I have witnessed in the last couple of years or so, and a bunch of others I have heard of, involving anything from factory to high end custom knives.

For my own part, I could (usually) get away with a small slip joint folder for most of my outdoors knife work since I confine its use mainly to food prep, trimming plants, green wood and cordage and whittling trap triggers/pot hangers etc.,

My main outdoors fixed blade knife reflects this usage, being thin, very hard and seriously sharp, and it is never at risk because it almost never does anything than slice, and it requires only a strop to keep it running this way for weeks on end.

If we were being purist and using flint or obsidian blades we'd never consider batoning to begin with. Small game, fish and birds don't require a knife at all to process, though it's faster and less messy if you have one :D

Choices seem simple to me - gear up (add a saw to your kit and enjoy the benefits thereof), or tone down what you are demanding of your current kit.

Stick a slip joint folder in your pocket next time you go out as your backup device. Most times when folks try this they end up using it more than their fixed blade. Small, thin and sharp always does the business.

This raises the question of likely use. In real world use a debris shelter is often quick and easy to make, and requires no tools. Constructing a shelter using only a knife and some string is a chore if you are cutting every component part. I guess I am more used to bending, breaking or simply using it as it is than using a knife to chew my way through a stand of timber.

If I was that concerned about a smaller hidden or half tang knife I'd be upping the game by choosing something significantly bigger, a little software, that can easily be used for heavier chopping but can still slice. Your average 4" bushcraft knife fails the brief in so many ways in this scenario, and replacing one 4" bushcraft knife with another 4" bushcraft knife with a different tang seems like a sideways move at best. Especially where funds are limited - I'd suggest holding onto your money and stick, rather than twist.

Good luck with whatever you decide upon.

I'll get my coat...
 
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Thankyou Siberianfury and Xunil for the information and advice i appreciate it absolutely and take it all in mind. I believe as you both have more knowledge and experience than i currently do it is advice i should and have paid close attention to.

However i believe in empricism so the only way to find anything out is by trying it myself so i shall try all types of blade before deciding which is best for me.

I respect completely what you are saying and i take it on board for the reasons i say. I hope that you'll also respect my view.

Robbie
 
Absolutely Robbie - we all reserve the luxury of choice and draw our own conclusions from our own findings.

This isn't a 'right' and 'wrong' discussion and there are no definitive answers or outcomes. Since we all have different tastes and use our knives for (often very) different workloads we all end up finding our own ideal best fit solutions. I went through countless 'possibles' before I found my own best fit.

Enjoy working with whatever you buy, and long may it serve !

And as a point of curiosity I wouldn't mind knowing what you end up going for :D
 
Thankyou Xunil i appreciate the advice you have given and have learned from it.

I will continue testing many blades to see what works best for me and i shall inform you what i feel is best for me.

Thankyou brother.

Robbie
 
As a side note may i say that the thing i love most about bushcraft is the fact that the majority of bushcrafters know that it doesn't matter where the info comes from. All real info is good info. You can never know everything. Everyone to the most experienced to the least has something to offer and it should be acknowledging and respected. No info is wrong if it doesn't work it teaches us all a lesson. Bushcrafters in my experience hold no prejudices as we live not in a world of ffallacy we live in a world of learning.

Fitting with what i believe i'll give a qoute by cody lundin ''The more you know the less you need''.
 
in my mind, as both a knife maker and user, if you add a ferrule and peen the tang of a stick tang with a realtivly beefy tang, it makes the handle practicaly intestructable, the blade might snap due to havy prying, but thats nothing i would use a knife for. fulltangs tend to break at the pins, a weakpoint where if struck the scales can split.
i spend alot of time using knives, mainly stick tangs but previously full tangs for lots of tasks, the most common would be cutting poles and splitting wood with my leuku (stick tang) had no problems, however upon using a full tang camp knife whilst living in the woods for a month and a half, the scales split whilst battoning.
 
I have several Helle knives. They are all stick tangs and I have used them all extensively.
Well priced. Very good quality, with hardwearing, easily maintained laminated blades.
Mine are stick tangs (not sure if they also do full tangs) and the have all performed superbly, even under heavy use.

If you are absolutely set on a full tang knife, and for your budget, how about making up a kit ?
Duncan (FGYT) on here does some great work.. His kits are more than reasonably priced.

A link to his recent makers sales thread http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=68437

Hand tools should be plenty adequate to complete such a project. Not to mention the satisfaction of using something you did yourself.

Just a thought.

Chris
 

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