Dropping everything and go off exploring....

gra_farmer

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My wife just dropped a bomb shell on me, she wants me and her to quit our jobs and go travelling / camping around the UK practicing out door skills and teaching our preschool children what we know for 2 or 3 months next year.......sounds lovely but we both worked hard to get where we are, and I know that I personally would not be able to return.

We have no home, so no out going cost commitments.

I have concerns, what are your thoughts?
 

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Tough one there. I know how she feels! Lovely idea but as you say not realy practical to give up a job in the present climate. You realy don't need money worries with kids. What about just taking everyone along at weekends and holidays and doing bushcraft holidays ? I can imagine Mrs gra farmer could be a bit stressed and or bored depending how lockdown has gone for you all and is dreaming of getting away from it all.
I too spend a lot of time dreaming about just going away for months and not comming home, living in the woods and a complete change of lifestyle.
Perhaps it's possible if you are brave and have a fallback plan. But make sure there is a way back . If you come back to no job or no home it's not the best idea at all.
It makes sense to sit tight while this pandemic is on. Travelling could be a problem with local lockdown and camping restrictions.
Plan for the future? Why not.!
Meanwhile get them out there and do things as a family when there is time at weekends and holidays. Good luck and have fun.
 
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Deep for a Wedsnesday Gra!

My gut would be to go for it.

When you say you have no home so no outgoing costs, can you elaborate? Do you need to think about buying a home when you return? Thoughts about retirement etc?

How easy would it be for you to obtain work on your return?

Also you might be able to provide yourselves with income whilst you travel. Youtube perhaps? I'd subscribe!

Could be an idea to attend a few bushcraft shows/meets before deciding if you haven't already??
 
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Has there been a triggering element for this change in mindset? Death in the family or similar ??

Indeed - what did you mean by this ? " We have no home, so no out going cost commitments. "

And what is your age if I may enquire.


I know speaking personally I would find this part very difficult.

" sounds lovely but we both worked hard to get where we are, and I know that I personally would not be able to return. "
 

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A really difficult one and a question we considered in our youth. In the end I/we decided to put everything into our careers and the kids' upbringing so we could retire early. The problem with the latter is you never know how long your health will last out and if you can get around to doing the things you want when you're older. The missus' health and fitness level limits what we can now do but we still have fun in the outdoors.

The best advice I have ever seen about 'dropping out' is to put a recovery fund somewhere - an amount of money that you do not use and is there to get you back into 'normal' life quickly and easily if you need to. I would suggest, in today's climate', that is several thousand £ minimum - think deposit on house rent, first few months rent, clothes for interviews etc. I know that sounds defeatist but I think it makes a lot of sense.

If you're confident you have saleable skills, go for it; if you think it would be difficult to get back to work I would consider carefully what effect it will have on the kids in the long run.
 

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Can you keep your home on by paying rent while you are away so you have a base to come back to? If not where are all your belongings going to go while you are away.?
Can you afford storage aswell as travelling? Do you want to come back to the same area or not? How easy is it to rent again in the present climate?
If you give up a council / housing association home it could well be night on impossible to get another. Private rentals are much higher... almost double can you afford that?
A lot of questions to answer before you do it.
Not saying don't, just beware of the difficulties that it could present if you've had enough and feel you want to stop and go home.
Plan for next year perhaps, meanwhile save all you can.
3 months is a short time to give everything up for.
What about the kids education? Home school? If you are moving around will they miss their friends? Football? Ballet or whatever they love doing?
 
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You realy don't need money worries with kids. What about just taking everyone along at weekends and holidays and doing bushcraft holidays ?

Travelling could be a problem with local lockdown and camping restrictions.
Plan for the future? Why not

Agreed, money concerns is really the only thing stopping me from doing it now.

Thinking about next year before our oldest starts school, only true time we have until we lose her to the system

When you say you have no home so no outgoing costs, can you elaborate? Do you need to think about buying a home when you return? Thoughts about retirement etc?

How easy would it be for you to obtain work on your return?

Also you might be able to provide yourselves with income whilst you travel. Youtube perhaps? I'd subscribe!

Could be an idea to attend a few bushcraft shows/meets before deciding if you haven't already??

Home is a strange point, and it would be buying a home when back.

As for work, I have a niche set of skills, that are really useful in specialist areas, but not a general need. I currently work in the water industry, within the environmental sector. I safeguard water resources, and communicate with the landbased sector and environmental regulators. Thing is that my work has to be done, it is very important and any negative impacts effect millions of people.

The upper level of environmental work is hard to get into, and I have been very lucky to get to this stage, I.e I have contributed and written law/policy and guidance that effects us all....even to the air you breathe.

I would love to do more youtube videos, I have the bug again, thanks to @punkrockcaveman

Has there been a triggering element for this change in mindset? Death in the family or similar ??

Indeed - what did you mean by this ? " We have no home, so no out going cost commitments. "

And what is your age if I may enquire.

The start of this is many things, but also an idea from a friend whom is travelling for a year before there children go to school

We own a place, but not a real home, and cannot sell it to free up funds

I am 38

A really difficult one and a question we considered in our youth. In the end I/we decided to put everything into our careers and the kids' upbringing so we could retire early. The problem with the latter is you never know how long your health will last out and if you can get around to doing the things you want when you're older. The missus' health and fitness level limits what we can now do but we still have fun in the outdoors.

This is the main point, health, we don't know what is round the corner, and if we wait we will never do it....maybe better to do it than regret?
 
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We own a place, but not a real home, and cannot sell it to free up funds

Sorry. I may be being pedantic but there is a reason for it. I've a creative property solutions past , so do you mind elaborating upon what that actually means?? Do you mean it doesn't really feel like a home but is just a house to you?
 

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Agreed, money concerns is really the only thing stopping me from doing it now.

Doesn't that effect many of the decisions that we make in life?

I'm just suggesting not to down play it if its been difficult to obtain the works position you are currently in.
 

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Just a thought, but some companies these days are prepared to offer sabbaticals; is it worth discussing with your employers and seeing if they would consider it? I know one company that allowed a whole year off with terms (such as you must come back for a minimum period but without contractual guarantee of a job if there are commercial reasons, such as loss of relevant work). It probably doesn't apply to your sector, but I wouldn't mind betting there are a few organisations that would be happy to let people go temporarily while the economy picks back up.
 

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Sounds idyllic. I wandered for 17 years + in my boat. Just some angles to think about..not designed to sway your opinion one way or the other, just some aspects that I encountered.

Unless you have a permanent address, for many purposes you become NFA (no fixed abode)
You need a permanent address for (A) Registering a motor vehicle. (B) Registering with a Medical Practice. (C) Tax..ie: Customs and Revenue . The list is quite long...I used a friend's address as a permanent address, which in turn led to them being bombarded with my official mail...Authorities of most descriptions will not communicate via P. O Boxes...

Be aware that delays, which will occur in responding to correspondence (written) or even email, unless you have a fancy 'phone with Internet...in which case you'll need a permanent address for a contract..cause problems
I was threatened and within a whisker of court action by DVLC over late response to vehicle SORN letters, ( I was in the Caribbean, letters from DVLC were in Gibraltar. ) :laugh:

Sometimes it's not the obvious difficulties in leading such a life, which cause problems, it's the minor things which in normal settled everyday life get dealt with.
If you can find someone that you will allow to handle/sift your mail and fend off/deal with officialdom from your "Home address" life is much easier.
My mate became an excellent forger...sometimes even I thought I had signed the paperwork....:laugh:

As for teaching Bush Craft etc: that's another opinion...personally I think with the National situation as it is at the moment and for some time to come..you will find about as much employment as a Typewriter repair man...:laugh:

Good luck with your plans..I hope you are successful...just be aware that when it comes to the life style it's the mundane things which often cause the problems.
" Yes Sir, you can deposit rubbish at the re-cycling site...we just need to see a household bill from your home address to prove you are a resident...Eh? What do you mean, you haven't got one?"..........:laugh:
 

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Sounds idyllic. I wandered for 17 years + in my boat. Just some angles to think about..not designed to sway your opinion one way or the other, just some aspects that I encountered.

Would you do the same thing again knowing what you know now? Being where you are or are not in life.

Genuinely interested.
 

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The world has changed a great deal TeeDee, even since I made my first voyage in 1998, so my answer is very much influenced by a number of different changes to the World as we know it..now.

There was a relatively tiny flow of refugees from various countries 20 years ago, and that is just one fact which affected my life style to a considerable degree. I'm talking now of a single handed sailor, not the package deal charter yacht holiday folk. I tended to visit the small non touristy harbours, anchor in isolated bays and wander in areas off the holiday sailor circuit. One of my favourite haunts was along the North African shore and the area around Sicily or in the far Eastern area around Thessalonica bordering Turkey
Now they are virtually a " No go areas" for the likes of me as a single handed voyager.

The Charter yacht people may not notice a difference in their brief holidays in the Mediterranean, but as a live-a-aboard voyager I found the freedom to wander frustrated me. I do not consider sailing up and down the Spanish Coast or around the Greek Islands or coastline, dodging Charter Yachts or Inter Island Ferries to be my style of voyaging. :laugh:

Don't misunderstand me, I fully appreciate the reasons why officaldom, Customs boardings, Maritime Police checks became so frequent. I remember being berthed in the Canary Islands on one occasion, waiting for the Hurricane season to blow through before I crossed the Atlantic. Refugees from the West African Coast were brought ashore having been rescued at sea by Spanish Patrols, from this..


A Builder's skip with a bow welded in place. They ran out of fuel between the West African Shore and the Canary Islands. It was rumoured that 28 people, men women and kids were aboard when they put to sea. Eight days adrift in the sun without water or shade and the Spanish rescued seven men and a woman they found alive on board....I know about the refugee problem believe me, and not having the freedom to wander is not something for me to complain about.

Long winded answer, Mate, but if times were the same, I was not 76 but in my late 50's early 60's again, I would be gone tomorrow. Absolutely no regrets. I had a service pension, good health and fitness, a good ex oppo and his Mrs who were my shore base " Home address" and I put my motorcycle and few belongings in a rented security container and sailed home every 18 months or 2 years to see the grown kids and watch how people ashore did Face Book, Strictly Come Dancing and bought a BMW X5 on credit...Then I ran away to sea again....
 

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Long winded answer, Mate, but if times were the same, I was not 76 but in my late 50's early 60's again, I would be gone tomorrow. Absolutely no regrets. I had a service pension, good health and fitness, a good ex oppo and his Mrs who were my shore base " Home address" and I put my motorcycle and few belongings in a rented security container and sailed home every 18 months or 2 years to see the grown kids and watch how people ashore did Face Book, Strictly Come Dancing and bought a BMW X5 on credit...Then I ran away to sea again....

Thank you for the very Detailed response Saxonaxe.

The service pension no doubt helped a massive amount - If you keep your world ( your boat ) and needs small ( just you yourself ) I'd imagine you can exist well on a regular Income. I find myself almost to fixated to the Hamster Wheel of Modern life to allow myself to get off for a bit so your story has been illuminating to me.

Thank You.
 

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From a mum point of view, two or three months is just a long school summer holiday, and it's really only one season long.

I honestly don't think the complete family upheaval is worth it for just three months.

You might consider an awful lot of careful planning of long trips; from where, and how to get there, to clothing and food, etc.,
and then juggle things so that you can do really long weeks/fortnights through the year.

Take a Friday off, so you can leave on the Thursday evening, have the weekend, the following week and the next weekend, and a Monday off, and there's nearly a fortnight and you've only used a tiny portion of your holiday allowance. Repeat that several times and the kids will become familiar and adept at camping/off grid, and slowly build up their outdoors skill sets. The family gets to see a lot of places and enjoy the time out there, through the seasons, you get to come home refreshed to your job, and there's no career break.

I know from personal experience that it's very do-able.
Best of luck with it :D

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My wife just dropped a bomb shell on me, she wants me and her to quit our jobs and go travelling / camping around the UK practicing out door skills and teaching our preschool children what we know for 2 or 3 months next year.......sounds lovely but we both worked hard to get where we are, and I know that I personally would not be able to return.

We have no home, so no out going cost commitments.

I have concerns, what are your thoughts?

You know the answer already. I know you’ve been through a bit, and I reckon if that’s what you both wish for, but you have slight doubts, then off you go. If it all goes to crap, at least you did it, and time is a great provider of rose tinted spectacles, when you look back the rough edges will be knocked off and you’ll have lots of fond memories.

Go on, you’ll regret it if you don’t. I suspect you’ll be needing some new knives to help with the stresses of it all. :D
 
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" I'd imagine you can exist well on a regular Income. "

Indeed TeeDee, Once it was possible to simply anchor in many places in the Mediterranean without charge. On passage West I often anchored in a small Harbour called Carlo Forte on the Italian island of Isle de San Pietro ( Off Western Sardinia)
The last time I called in there, about 2012/13 I recall, it was " You no anchor, Marina only"...at 38 Euros a night, I weighed and left. Things had changed......
Food from local street markets, clothing shorts and T shirt, do it yourself boat maintenance. Minimal Gizmos that go wrong that you can't fix yourself, trading skills with other voyagers. As an ex seaman I spliced a new Forestay for a voyager in Sliema (Malta) and he fixed my VHF radio, he was an ex US Navy Sparky. No money changed hands.
It was a surprisingly cheap way of life...unless one couldn't live without the Touristy life style.:)
 
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I'm inclined to agree with Toddy. Three months isn't a long time in the general scheme of things.
I'd get my rent paid up to be able to keep the homebase and either take a sabbatical. Or do as Toddy suggests.
Life goes along at a pace and you can't get it back. One never knows what's to come. But seriously I wouldn't be giving up a home and job just now. If you had no children I'd say the opposite!.
A little one will enjoy a weekend as much as a week or a month.
 
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How much do pre-school children retain or things shown if they do not get to practice and live with the activity? I am 43 and don't think I can remember much of anything from that age.

Chucking in the career you have worked to build, just for three months travel and teaching your very young children doesn't seem like a good trade to me. If you said a year, or you were going to travel outside the UK, maybe I would think it a better exchange. That is without taking the current conditions into consideration.

A sabbatical could be the best answer.
 

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Thank you everyone, there maybe some options, and for those of you that know me, there have been some testing times that would have contributed towards this thought process.

Going to try and find a solution with my line manager, see what can be accommodated.

@TeeDee the home thing is complicated, and hopefully have a solution soon. I will be in touch if things work out?
 

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